Thread: Renouncing U.S. Citizenship

In case you missed this important development! What's good for the Man of Steel should be good for everyone! Superman Renounces His U.S. Citizenship in 900th Issue of Action Comics - FoxNews.com

Is he moving to Panama? Can he open up a bank account under his Krypton passport without any difficulties?

Originally Posted by MRWOOHOO

Is he moving to Panama? Can he open up a bank account under his Krypton passport without any difficulties?

Now that would take "super powers" LOL.

Superman can always get a side job working for Colombians.

Reasons Superman is giving up U.S. citizenship:


1) He gets shot now and then when he crosses a non fly zone.

2) Clark Kent, is a suspicious character that is in the TSA no fly list.

3) He was requested to have a passport to get in and out of the country, but he does not have a birth or naturalization certificate, that will allow him to get one.

4) His liability insurance went up, higher that he can fly. (too much property damage)

5) He had to deal with too many frivolous lawsuits. He is tied with an unbelievable amount of litigation.

6) He can not fly over any USA city without especial permits from the local, state or federal government.

7) No one reads the newspaper anymore, he lost his job at the Daily Planet, and he can not collect unemployment.

8) He has never filed income tax, because he does not have SS #.

Originally Posted by vornado

Reasons Superman is giving up U.S. citizenship:


1) He gets shot now and then when he crosses a non fly zone.

2) Clark Kent, is a suspicious character that is in the TSA no fly list.

3) He was requested to have a passport to get in and out of the country, but he does not have a birth or naturalization certificate, that will allow him to get one.

4) His liability insurance went up, higher that he can fly. (too much property damage)

5) He had to deal with too many frivolous lawsuits. He is tied with an unbelievable amount of litigation.

6) He can not fly over any USA city without especial permits from the local, state or federal government.

7) No one reads the newspaper anymore, he lost his job at the Daily Planet, and he can not collect unemployment.

8) He has never filed income tax, because he does not have SS #.

Excellent list. I would remind Superman that the U.S. govt imposes an exit tax on anyone renouncing citizenship. I think they will want a hefty percentage of his super powers.

Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO - Yahoo! Finance

I was just about to post this same thing reported on CNBC. Looks like a trend of wealthy people quietly exiting the U.S.
News Headlines

What does it say when members of the U.S. Congress and former presidential candidates feel it is necessary to get a dual citizenship for themselves and their entire family? We live in troublesome times! Best to Pay attention to what the people in the "know" are doing.
Michele Bachmann claims Swiss citizenship - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com

This is the sort of thing that will cause people to leave the U.S. Essentially the cops say put your money in the bank or will confiscate it for our own use. What does it say about a society when the citizens can't carry currency and are being forced to use a private business (bank) against their will? A big hat tip to Pollerkeeper for sharing this story!!!
Freedom in the US does not exist.









Man Loses $22,000 In New 'Policing For Profit' Case


Posted: May 09, 2012 8:52 AM

New Jersey driver George Reby
Officer Larry Bates, Monterey Police
$1,000 rolls from George Reby's bag

• Affidavit from $22,000 seizure in Monterey

By Phil Williams
Chief Investigative Reporter
MONTEREY, Tenn. -- "If somebody told me this happened to them, I absolutely would not believe this could happen in America."
That was the reaction of a New Jersey man who found out just how risky it can be to carry cash through Tennessee.

For more than a year, NewsChannel 5 Investigates has been shining a light on a practice that some call "policing for profit."
See previous stories:
"NC5 Investigates: Policing For Profit"

In this latest case, a Monterey police officer took $22,000 off the driver -- even though he had committed no crime.
"You live in the United States, you think you have rights -- and apparently you don't," said George Reby.
As a professional insurance adjuster, Reby spends a lot of time traveling from state to state. But it was on a trip to a conference in Nashville last January that he got a real education in Tennessee justice.
"I never had any clue that they thought they could take my money legally," Reby added. "I didn't do anything wrong."
Reby was driving down Interstate 40, heading west through Putnam County, when he was stopped for speeding.
A Monterey police officer wanted to know if he was carrying any large amounts of cash.
"I said, 'Around $20,000,'" he recalled. "Then, at the point, he said, 'Do you mind if I search your vehicle?' I said, 'No, I don't mind.' I certainly didn't feel I was doing anything wrong. It was my money."
That's when Officer Larry Bates confiscated the cash based on his suspicion that it was drug money.
"Why didn't you arrest him?" we asked Bates.
"Because he hadn't committed a criminal law," the officer answered.
Bates said the amount of money and the way it was packed gave him reason to be suspicious.
"The safest place to put your money if it's legitimate is in a bank account," he explained. "He stated he had two. I would put it in a bank account. It draws interest and it's safer."
"But it's not illegal to carry cash," we noted.
"No, it's not illegal to carry cash," Bates said. "Again, it's what the cash is being used for to facilitate or what it is being utilized for."
NewsChannel 5 Investigates noted, "But you had no proof that money was being used for drug trafficking, correct? No proof?"
"And he couldn't prove it was legitimate," Bates insisted.
Bates is part of a system that, NewsChannel 5 Investigates has discovered, gives Tennessee police agencies the incentive to take cash off of out-of-state drivers. If they don't come back to fight for their money, the agency gets to keep it all.
"This is a taking without due process," said Union City attorney John Miles.
A former Texas prosecutor and chairman of the Obion County Tea Party, Miles has seen similar cases in his area.
He said that, while police are required to get a judge to sign off on a seizure within five days, state law says that hearing "shall be ex parte" -- meaning only the officer's side can be heard.
That's why George Reby was never told that there was a hearing on his case.
"It wouldn't have mattered because the judge would have said, 'This says it shall be ex parte. Sit down and shut up. I'm not to hear from you -- by statute," Miles added.
George Reby said that he told Monterey officers that "I had active bids on EBay, that I was trying to buy a vehicle. They just didn't want to hear it."
In fact, Reby had proof on his computer.
But the Monterey officer drew up a damning affidavit, citing his own training that "common people do not carry this much U.S. currency."
Read Officer Bates' affidavit
"On the street, a thousand-dollar bundle could approximately buy two ounces of cocaine," Bates told NewsChannel 5 Investigates.
"Or the money could have been used to buy a car," we observed.
"It's possible," he admitted.
NewsChannel 5 Investigates asked Bates if Reby had told him that he was trying to buy a car?
"He did," the officer acknowledged.
"But you did not include that in your report," we noted.
"If it's not in there, I didn't put it in there."
So why did he leave that out?
"I don't know," the officer said.
Bates also told the judge the money was hidden inside "a tool bag underneath trash to [deter] law enforcement from locating it."
"That's inaccurate," Reby said. "I pulled out the bag and gave it to him."
And even though there was no proof that Reby was involved in anything illegal, Bates' affidavit portrays him as a man with a criminal history that included an arrest for possession of cocaine.
That was 20-some years ago," the New Jersey man insisted.
"Were you convicted?" we wanted to know.
"No, I wasn't convicted," he answered.
But Officer Bates says that arrest -- which he acknowledged was old -- was still part of the calculation to take Reby's money.
"Am I going to use it? Yes, I'm going to use it because he's been charged with it in the past -- regardless of whether it's 10 or 15 years ago," he said.
Attorney John Miles said he's frustrated with attitudes toward Tennessee's civil forfeiture laws, which make such practices legal.
"We are entitled not to be deprived of our property without due process of law, both under the Tennessee Constitution and the federal Constitution -- and nobody cares," Miles said.
"Nobody cares."
This year, state lawmakers debated a bill to create a special committee to investigate these "policing for profit" issues. That bill died in the last days of the legislative session.
After Reby filed an appeal, and after NewsChannel 5 began investigating, the state agreed to return his money -- if he'd sign a statement waiving his constitutional rights and promising not to sue.
They also made him come all the way from New Jersey, back to Monterey to pick up a check.
He got the check, but no apology.
"If they lied about everything in the report, why would they apologize?" Reby said.
And, with that, he was ready to put Tennessee in his rearview mirror.
"I really don't want to come back here," he said.
As for the appeals process, Reby was able to provide us and the state with letters from his employers, showing that he had a legitimate source of income.
It took him four months to get his money back, but it usually takes a lot longer for most people.
And that, Miles said, works to the benefit of the police.
He had two clients where police agreed to drop the cases in exchange for a cut of the money -- $1,000 in one case, $2,000 in another. In both cases, that was less than what they might have paid in attorney fees.
Miles called that "extortion."

Seems people renouncing thier citizenship will be getting special treatment fom the govt.
Schumer Introduces Ex-PATRIOT Act: Will Banish Those Who Renounce US Citizenship


Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/17/2012 09:17 -0400

• Bloomberg News
• Fail

What comes after Banana Republic? Because America is it - after last week Facebook co-founder, and native Brazilian, Eduardo Saverin announced he would denounce his US citizenship, America has decided to make it virtually illegal to denounce one's citizenship in what can only be classified as the dumbest proposed law in recent history: meet the Ex-PATRIOT Act (Expatriation Prevention by Abolishing Tax-Related Incentives for Offshore Tenancy) proposed by Chick Schumer and Bob Casey. One wonders just how much taxpayer money was spent to pay naming consultants to come up with this witty acronym for a law that can only be classified as utter idiocy. Here is our suggestion for the follow up law: The "GULAG" Act: Get Ur Laughable Asses Gone (although we are open to any other non-taxpayer funded acronym suggestions).
From ABC:

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has a status update for Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin: Stop attempting to dodge your taxes by renouncing your U.S. citizenship or never come to back to the U.S. again.

In September 2011, Saverin relinquished his U.S. citizenship before the company announced its planned initial public offering of stock, which will debut this week. The move was likely a financial one, as he owns an estimated 4 percent of Facebook and stands to make $4 billion when the company goes public. Saverin would reap the benefit of tax savings by becoming a permanent resident of Singapore, which levies no capital gains taxes.

At a news conference this morning, Sens. Schumer and Bob Casey, D-Pa., will unveil the "Ex-PATRIOT" - "Expatriation Prevention by Abolishing Tax-Related Incentives for Offshore Tenancy" - Act to respond directly to Saverin's move, which they dub a "scheme" that would "help him duck up to $67 million in taxes."

The senators will call Saverin's move an "outrage" and will outline their plan to re-impose taxes on expatriates like Saverin even after they flee the United States and take up residence in a foreign country. Their proposal would also impose a mandatory 30 percent tax on the capital gains of anybody who renounces their U.S. citizenship.

The plan would bar individuals like Saverin from ever reentering the United States again.

"Eduardo recently found it more practical to become a resident of Singapore since he plans to live there for an indefinite period of time," Tom Goodman, Saverin's spokesman, told Bloomberg News in an email.

Last year 1,700 people renounced their U.S. citizenship.

So going forward everyone who no longer wants a US passport will have to check a box:

• Are you no longer a US citizen for tax purposes: Yes / No.

And to think there are those who inexplicably say America's elected officials are idiots, and central planning is sure to fail...

Abolishing tax-related incentives for off-shore tenancy? Huh? I love how they name these laws (recognizing that's as much as the idiots voting on it will ever read or consider.)

Chuck Schumer has never worked a single day in his life. He is one of the most dangerous people in America.

It seems the Govt has Passed a law allowing propaganda to be used against it's own citizens hmmm why would that be important?
Bipartisan Congressional Bill Would Authorize the Use of Propaganda On Americans Living Inside America | ZeroHedge

Apparently the progressive have their marching orders and are using the propaganda techniques already.
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Is this forum always polluted with all this right wing paranoia? If Panama is attracting boatloads of people who think like this, I guess I'll never go back!

I cant speak for everyone, but to even think in terms of right vs left, R vs D means you may have missed the point.

They are simply illusions to keep you occupied with things like gay rights, abortion, immigration ect while they work together to rob you. There is not a noticeable difference between Bush and Obama or Mittens for that matter on the things that matter that I can see

Notice the headline Fleeted linked says "Bipartisan"

NDAA was not passed by a single party. Bailouts continue

The Constitution and it's protections are supposed to be the law of the land. Now the President who is sworn to uphold it refers to it as a "historical document". SJC is correct while the American people continue to fight amongst themselves the Govt and banks are picking their pockets and lowering their standard of living. Bread and circuses have never been more relevant to what is transpiring now.

Originally Posted by sjc

I cant speak for everyone, but to even think in terms of right vs left, R vs D means you may have missed the point.

They are simply illusions to keep you occupied with things like gay rights, abortion, immigration ect while they work together to rob you. There is not a noticeable difference between Bush and Obama or Mittens for that matter on the things that matter that I can see

Notice the headline Fleeted linked says "Bipartisan"

NDAA was not passed by a single party. Bailouts continue

Well put. The two sets of people are (i) people who see their liberties and freedom being taken from them by a government that has grown to the point that it now fears the will of the people and (ii) people too stupid or too complacent or too entrenched in government to know or care what happens.

Here is some "red meat" for Bob.
Department of Homeland Security buying up enough ammo to wage seven-year war against the American people
Please don't pay any attention to the canary in the coal mine, after all dancing with the stars is having it's finale!!!

I guess nothing will really change until money is taken out of politics and citizens pay more attention and VOTE. The supreme court handed the government over to political action committees, making it easier for them to influence politicians and voters.
But all politics aside, I feel there is still hope for Uncle Sam, it's just not going to trickle-down from above though.

Fleeted, have you seen how the police in Chicago are treating protesters?

Originally Posted by Panama Bob

I guess nothing will really change until money is taken out of politics and citizens pay more attention and VOTE. The supreme court handed the government over to political action committees, making it easier for them to influence politicians and voters.
But all politics aside, I feel there is still hope for Uncle Sam, it's just not going to trickle-down from above though.

No doubt everyone is out "buying influence" - from public employees and their unions to big businesses and every special interest group in-between from old farts to gays. If someone says it's an ugly but effective process, I would disagree. Politicians tell people what they want to hear and people vote for them.

I'm not wasting my remaining days on this Earth trying to fix problems I didn't cause. I'm moving where I can most enjoy my life at that moment.

Originally Posted by BalaBeacher

No doubt everyone is out "buying influence" - from public employees and their unions to big businesses and every special interest group in-between from old farts to gays. If someone says it's an ugly but effective process, I would disagree. Politicians tell people what they want to hear and people vote for them.

I'm not wasting my remaining days on this Earth trying to fix problems I didn't cause. I'm moving where I can most enjoy my life at that moment.

Very well said Bala!! I feel exactly the same way!!!

Originally Posted by BalaBeacher

I'm not wasting my remaining days on this Earth trying to fix problems I didn't cause. I'm moving where I can most enjoy my life at that moment.

I disagree Bala. You are helping to fix problems the only way that it can possibly happen by simply passing along information and talking. Panama Bob is right, if things change its not going to be becasue the people at the top change, its going to be because we the people do.

You can do this from Panama or anywhere else in the world

Originally Posted by Panama Bob

Fleeted, have you seen how the police in Chicago are treating protesters?

Yes Bob I have and it is a symptom of a much greater problem. People can no longer question their masters, film cops, express free speech or fly without an anal exam by TSA. The kids of today have never known the freedoms we enjoyed as a child so they won't miss them. They will think being treated like slaves to the govt is perfectly normal. The book "Anthem" by Ayn Rand comes to mind.

Originally Posted by sjc

I disagree Bala. You are helping to fix problems the only way that it can possibly happen by simply passing along information and talking. Panama Bob is right, if things change its not going to be becasue the people at the top change, its going to be because we the people do.

You can do this from Panama or anywhere else in the world

The rioting in the streets will not be the libertarians, but will be the large segment of the population dependent on the government for their livelihood and support, like Greece. They won't care that U.S. businesses cannot compete globally and will not or cannot expand and hire due to oppressive regulations and government mandates. They won't care that a nit-wit IRS agent in North Dakota could suspend a citizen's passport or seize personal property before ajudication of any claim or conviction for violation of any law. They won't care that the top 1% pay 40% of the taxes - they will expect them to pay more. It's not that there are not a lot of people that care, it's just that there are far more people wanting to maintain the status quo in terms of government pay, benefits and entitlements. So long as the government is robbing Peter to pay Paul, it can count on Paul's support - and there are many more Pauls than Peters!

I don't expect a smooth transition from where we are currently to where ever we are going. The current system is well beyond the point of being able to recover. But it could last another 10 years, who knows.

The question is what comes out. The more people that understand what is wrong the more they can prepare and educate themselves. I am an extremely new convert to to this. I was just like most people who thought the USA was number one and trusted what I was told until recently. In fact I think what opened my eyes was a link to zerohedge that was posted on this forum by either Fleeted or another user.

The entitlements cant last, and when they are gone its going to be game on. The people who depend on the government for their survival, wont.

So just by the fact we are talking about the issues means we are trying to help fix whats broken even if that is not our intention

Originally Posted by sjc

I don't expect a smooth transition from where we are currently to where ever we are going. The current system is well beyond the point of being able to recover. But it could last another 10 years, who knows.

The question is what comes out. The more people that understand what is wrong the more they can prepare and educate themselves. I am an extremely new convert to to this. I was just like most people who thought the USA was number one and trusted what I was told until recently. In fact I think what opened my eyes was a link to zerohedge that was posted on this forum by either Fleeted or another user.

The entitlements cant last, and when they are gone its going to be game on. The people who depend on the government for their survival, wont.

So just by the fact we are talking about the issues means we are trying to help fix whats broken even if that is not our intention

Yeah, nothing happens as quickly as we sometimes think it will - for the better or the worse. The Roman Empire fell declined over many lifetimes. I guess if I were able to make one change it would be for term limits (that is, one or two terms only). Perhaps then politicians would think further out than the next election. (In contrast, China's central planners make decisions based on a 40-year time horizon.) In the meantime, my vote counts the same as this goof-ball rioting in Chicago for reasons he's doesn't even know:

Originally Posted by sjc

I don't expect a smooth transition from where we are currently to where ever we are going. The current system is well beyond the point of being able to recover. But it could last another 10 years, who knows.

The question is what comes out. The more people that understand what is wrong the more they can prepare and educate themselves. I am an extremely new convert to to this. I was just like most people who thought the USA was number one and trusted what I was told until recently. In fact I think what opened my eyes was a link to zerohedge that was posted on this forum by either Fleeted or another user.

The entitlements cant last, and when they are gone its going to be game on. The people who depend on the government for their survival, wont.

So just by the fact we are talking about the issues means we are trying to help fix whats broken even if that is not our intention

The moment of awakening is different for everyone. My family have been Military men for a long time. I myself served 8 years U.S. Army. I also believed the Govt had our best interests at heart until recently. Without the protections of the Constitution the U.S. is nothing. All great civilizations fall from within and the U.S. is on track to do the same thing, which saddens my heart. I am grateful and you should be also that you are no longer part of the 99% that are paralyzed by the "Normalcy Bias". Taking action now can protect ourselves and families from what is surely coming. If I can't live with freedom in the U.S. then I will opt for another destination.