Massive Terrorist Attack in Norway

[derek marlowe]

Janl,

It is very common in Holland to have strong inner doors and bedroom doors that are secured at night. I have relatives in Arnhem and the criminal gangs are all non-white because I have been down the streets where they control that part of the city and my relatives told us not to look at them to much or there could be trouble. These are downtown areas that are controlled by gangs.

In the U.S. the states that have freer access to firearms have lower violent crime than states like New York that restrict firearms. Me having guns in my home and on my person increases the safety for my neighbors. Only weak undefended people are easy pickings for violent crime.

The Vikings must be rolling in their graves in shame to see what neutered unicks their people have become. The police took 90 minutes to respond and had to ask their supervisor for access to their weapons and then they had no transportation to the island. The murderer will be out of prison before the grass grows on the victims graves-Norway like the rest of Europe doesnt respect human life. The only ones they want to kill are the unborn children-murderers get the royal treatment.

Europeans have the idea that murders are common in most U.S. cities. The contrary is the case. Most murders are either domestic. We just had a mother and daughter killed by the deranged brother here in San Diego-He used a knife, even though guns were present in the home. Other common murders are gang members killing each other. It is extremely rare for a normal citizen to be killed by a stranger. I am over 60 and have never known anyone who had a family member or friend murdered. In San Diego which has a population of around 5 million it is rare to turn on the news and hear of a murder (I would guess maybe 50 a year) and we are on the border with Tijuana which had maybe 3,000 murders last year. They outlaw firearms for everyone and yet the people are slaughtered daily because the bad guys are all armed to the teeth.

[janl]

Janl,

It is very common in Holland to have strong inner doors and bedroom doors that are secured at night. I have relatives in Arnhem and the criminal gangs are all non-white because I have been down the streets where they control that part of the city and my relatives told us not to look at them to much or there could be trouble. These are downtown areas that are controlled by gangs.

In the U.S. the states that have freer access to firearms have lower violent crime than states like New York that restrict firearms. Me having guns in my home and on my person increases the safety for my neighbors. Only weak undefended people are easy pickings for violent crime.

The Vikings must be rolling in their graves in shame to see what neutered unicks their people have become. The police took 90 minutes to respond and had to ask their supervisor for access to their weapons and then they had no transportation to the island. The murderer will be out of prison before the grass grows on the victims graves-Norway like the rest of Europe doesnt respect human life. The only ones they want to kill are the unborn children-murderers get the royal treatment.

Then how come i can roam the streets day and night anywhere in holland without any trouble? The fact that your relatives are too scared to go on the streets or look at ppl says more about them then about holland. I guess they are also starting to believe what geert wilders and other psychos are babbling. In the eyes of a scared person the streets are "controlled" by non-whites, but in reality its just some punks hanging out in the street. They control nothing.
And the average house in holland has inner doors not stronger then cardboard and nobody locks them. Even if they would be locked a child could kick them out thats how weak they are. Yes they lock their frontdoor but thats pertty much it and even not all do that. No bars in front of the windows. Nothing crazy like yr saying here.

I have lived there for 35 years and NOT ONCE have i been robbed or beat up or whatever. The worse thing that has happened to me is a stolen car radio. in 35 years!! My sisters carradio has been stolen once too. My parents have never had anything happen to them in about 100 years in holland between them. Dont spread nonsense about things you know nothing about.

I can understand that the american people feel safer with guns on or around them. But the fact remains that because of this huge amount of guns the price is so much lower. I wont deny that criminals can get their hands on guns in any country, but it does matter whether you pay 1500-2000 euro for it or a few hundred bucks. This simply results in way less guns on the street regardless in whos hands.

Yeh the vikings will be so ashamed. They plundered raped and robbed everything they saw and now it is such a peaceful, at least most of the time, country. Damn what a mess they made..

[derek marlowe]

If you think that Holland and Europe in general is a better place today than it was before the influx of muslims then it is certainly the place for you-I forgot you dont live there anymore. LOL

[janl]

If you think that Holland and Europe in general is a better place today than it was before the influx of muslims then it is certainly the place for you-I forgot you dont live there anymore. LOL

I havent said their presence has improved our situation, nor have i said the opposite.

Again you talk about things you dont know anything about. I hate cold, i hate high prices, and i hate high prices. Cant i leave my country for a nice change after 35 years without hating muslims?

Besides im not sure if i can seriously talk to you. If you think less gunrelated crime happens in the usa then in the netherlands then yr insane.

And even worse is yr remark about killing the unborn .. You people are proud of "yr heroes" slaughtering thousands of innocent lives around the world every month, but if someone has an abortion you all grab yr favorite fairytale book and start praying. Hypocrites!

[EdBowers]

I think a lot of Americans have a dream about killing someone defending their home. You also have the dead man tell no tales factor. It's much more easy to process a dead person than a live one you shot in the leg.

There are 65 million legal handguns in the US with a population of 300 million.

In the Netherlands you have 80,000? with a population of 17 million.

That's a factor 64 to play with. Still fire arms related crimes in Amsterdam vs US overall is only a factor 2.

So, overall, if you collected 50 % of all legal US guns I doubt it would result in more than a 1-2 % drop in fire arms related crimes. This at the expense of people being able to protect themselves.

Lots of my dad, my family, my neighborhood, the punks I know and other pointless info above. In 30-50 years Europe will cease to exist and be a middle eastern province.

Anyhow, the cops going the island failed on three more items:

1. They did not go in a fully maintained boat and had a 10-15 min motor failure.
2. The travelled in one boat rather than two. The shooter could have wiped them out or forced them to return quite easily.
3. The counted about 20 of the bodies they brought in twice.

[janl]

I think a lot of Americans have a dream about killing someone defending their home. You also have the dead man tell no tales factor. It's much more easy to process a dead person than a live one you shot in the leg.

There are 65 million legal handguns in the US with a population of 300 million.

In the Netherlands you have 80,000? with a population of 17 million.

That's a factor 64 to play with. Still fire arms related crimes in Amsterdam vs US overall is only a factor 2.

So, overall, if you collected 50 % of all legal US guns I doubt it would result in more than a 1-2 % drop in fire arms related crimes. This at the expense of people being able to protect themselves.

Lots of my dad, my family, my neighborhood, the punks I know and other pointless info above. In 30-50 years Europe will cease to exist and be a middle eastern province.

Anyhow, the cops going the island failed on three more items:

1. They did not go in a fully maintained boat and had a 10-15 min motor failure.
2. The travelled in one boat rather than two. The shooter could have wiped them out or forced them to return quite easily.
3. The counted about 20 of the bodies they brought in twice.

First derek compares San Diego with the whole continent Europe. Now you compare the whole USA with the city of Amsterdam. which just happens to be the city with most gunrelated crime in Holland. If you people cant make a fair comparison but have to keep twisting numbers to your own advantage then this is useless. Gunrelated crime in the US is at least 10x higher then in Holland and you know it. And this is still a modest number because i have also read 17x.

Europe turning into a Middle Eastern province .. Come on ed do you seriously believe what all those politicians are telling you to scare you? I do generally think you are an idiot, but i didnt think you were also unintelligent. Apparantly you are because this is the biggest crap i ever heard! I dont even know what to say back to it except that it is not true.

[EdBowers]

Yes, whatever the exact number is. Dutch people are much more violent with the guns THEY HAVE as shown. Why do you keep issuing gun permit if the guns are 5-10 times more likely to be used in a crime than in the US?

Gunrelated crime in the US is at least 10x higher then in Holland and you know it. And this is still a modest number because i have also read 17x.

[janl]

Yes, whatever the exact number is. Dutch people are much more violent with the guns THEY HAVE as shown. Why do you keep issuing gun permit if the guns are 5-10 times more likely to be used in a crime than in the US?

Awww you lost for words dummy? Why dont you respond to the things i say instead of keep searching for new non-arguements to bash holland and europe? Every time i explain why you're wrong you make up some new nonsense.

How many gunrelated crimes are commited in the netherlands by people with gun-permits? Hardly any, and hardly any permits are granted. Permits are only given to shooting range members and only then after investigation. Further it is also very hard to become a member of a shooting club to start with. Most gunrelated crimes obviously are commited by illegal firearms.

Its another poor comparison by you eddie. If you give 50% of a country a gun there is gonna be less violence with them thern when a few crooks own one percentage-wise.

Also, we werent talking about the degree of violence. We were talking about the statistics on gun related crimes. You are just babbling Ed.

[janl]

I dare you eddie. Reply to my points one by one and explain to me why i am wrong. And not by keep changing the comparissons to suit yr story better every time i explain to you why i think you are wrong.Just reply to messages with full quote and respond to all i say point by point. That should be easy for you right? After all my brain never functions according to you and you are such a smart boy.

[EdBowers]

So you don't want to look at the number of hand guns in the country as a factor then.

You are just babbling, constantly in every post. If there are 100 cars in Holland and 50 million in the US with 35,000 car related deaths in the US and 2 in Holland you will immediately start screaming about how crazy they are in their cars, you guys spend every day just running over each other, don't they see that walking is better, what a bunch of hypocrites, this and that, bla bla bla.

If you remove all the cars you save 40,000 lives, all guns 12,000 lives (+30,000 to suicide), force them to exercise daily 150,000 lives, ban fast food 250,000 lives, improve food for school kids 20,000 lives, forced yearly cancer screening 80,000 lives, ban on all cigarettes 200,000 lives, ban on alcohol 250,000 lives. The list can go on and on.

People die because they make stupid decisions, innocent people die because other people make stupid decisions.

If you remove the freedom of choice, all men are walking dead.

Awww you lost for words dummy? Why dont you respond to the things i say instead of keep searching for new non-arguements to bash holland and europe? Every time i explain why you're wrong you make up some new nonsense.

How many gunrelated crimes are commited in the netherlands by people with gun-permits? Hardly any, and hardly any permits are granted. Permits are only given to shooting range members and only then after investigation. Further it is also very hard to become a member of a shooting club to start with. Most gunrelated crimes obviously are commited by illegal firearms.

Its another poor comparison by you eddie. If you give 50% of a country a gun there is gonna be less violence with them thern when a few crooks own one percentage-wise.

Also, we werent talking about the degree of violence. We were talking about the statistics on gun related crimes. You are just babbling Ed.

[janl]

So you don't want to look at the number of hand guns in the country as a factor then.

You are just babbling, constantly in every post. If there are 100 cars in Holland and 50 million in the US with 35,000 car related deaths in the US and 2 in Holland you will immediately start screaming about how crazy they are in their cars, you guys spend every day just running over each other, don't they see that walking is better, what a bunch of hypocrites, this and that, bla bla bla.

If you remove all the cars you save 40,000 lives, all guns 12,000 lives (+30,000 to suicide), force them to exercise daily 150,000 lives, ban fast food 250,000 lives, improve food for school kids 20,000 lives, forced yearly cancer screening 80,000 lives, ban on all cigarettes 200,000 lives, ban on alcohol 250,000 lives. The list can go on and on.

People die because they make stupid decisions, innocent people die because other people make stupid decisions.

If you remove the freedom of choice, all men are walking dead.

Exactly as i thought. When it suits you you take into regard what the financial situation of ppl in a state is when talking about prisonpopulation, but u dont take into regard who are the owners of guns when you talk about gunrelated crimes. So typical for someone that is wrong but refuses to admit it.

[EdBowers]

No, that's not what I did, I simply showed that Minnesota, to where the majority of the Norwegians emigranted to, is more or less identical to Norway as far as the prison population if you factor in that sentences are probably twice as long (just a speculation but seems reaonable). I am sure the prisons in Minnesota are not 4-star resorts like in Norway. Comparing Norway to Minnesota seems more reasonable than comparing to former planation workers sitting along a foot-stamped rural dirt road in Louisiana like you wanted to.

Exactly as i thought. When it suits you you take into regard what the financial situation of ppl in a state is when talking about prisonpopulation, but u dont take into regard who are the owners of guns when you talk about gunrelated crimes. So typical for someone that is wrong but refuses to admit it.

[janl]

No, that's not what I did, I simply showed that Minnesota, to where the majority of the Norwegians emigranted to, is more or less identical to Norway as far as the prison population if you factor in that sentences are probably twice as long (just a speculation but seems reaonable). I am sure the prisons in Minnesota are not 4-star resorts like in Norway. Comparing Norway to Minnesota seems more reasonable than comparing to former planation workers sitting along a foot-stamped rural dirt road in Louisiana like you wanted to.

Dare skipped, and now you come telling more lies?

Please show me the post in which i mentioned or tried to compare Louisiana to Norway.

[EdBowers]

You wrote before: "the numbers can't be ignored". You also wrote "USA has very harsh punishments but crime is still skyhigh."

You wish to you look at a state like "Lousiana" which also happen to coincide with the US national average fairly well. I can pick any state that coincides with the US national average when demonstraing your complete ignorance on the topic.

I suggested you look at the state that the Norwegians immigrated to, A MUCH MORE SENSIBLE APPROACH if you wish to analyze the crime/punishment. Something you simply refuse to do.

Now it turns out that Minnesota adjusted for sentence lengths is the same as Norway and hence all your arguments for 3-star restaurants in the prison systems and an unlimited budget at maybe 3000 dollar per inmate and day have been neutralized. I understand your frustration.

Dare skipped, and now you come telling more lies?

Please show me the post in which i mentioned or tried to compare Louisiana to Norway.

[janl]

You wrote before: "the numbers can't be ignored". You also wrote "USA has very harsh punishments but crime is still skyhigh."

You wish to you look at a state like "Lousiana" which also happen to coincide with the US national average fairly well. I can pick any state that coincides with the US national average when demonstraing your complete ignorance on the topic.

I suggested you look at the state that the Norwegians immigrated to, A MUCH MORE SENSIBLE APPROACH if you wish to analyze the crime/punishment. Something you simply refuse to do.

Now it turns out that Minnesota adjusted for sentence lengths is the same as Norway and hence all your arguments for 3-star restaurants in the prison systems and an unlimited budget at maybe 3000 dollar per inmate and day have been neutralized. I understand your frustration.

I didnt argue for a certain system i only said that the system that results in the safest enviroment is the best prison. And dont make up figures like $3000 a day because thats ridiculous. Although i agree theyre not cheap but be realistic. Oh hang on you cant cause it doesnt suit yr point.

And not answered again. I think i can rest my case. Nite edfleeted.

[EdBowers]

Again you illustrate that you have no budget limitations as I noted.

I didnt argue for a certain system i only said that the system that results in the safest enviroment is the best prison.

[janl]

Again you illustrate that you have no budget limitations as I noted.

The us spends, how much was it again, 700 billion a year in iraq and afghanistan to make their country more unsafe? so whats budget limitations? Whats a good price on safety anyways?

And why again dont you reply to what i say but only to something you think you can make a point on? are you truly that weak eddie? Btw i think holland 3 star resorts as you call them cost about $150-600 depending on the facility and punishment, You still think $3000 is realistic? ANd if we are talking about money so much .. wouldnt it be better to hand out 10 year sentences instead of 60 year sentences then? I mean if finance is the issue .. oops dummy ..

Besides you were noting other limitations last time .. it was about muslims raping children if im not mistaken ..

talk about limitations ..

[cloudboypty]

To put the 5% in perspective, you have to use the actual reference: "The most often quoted figure is that 5 percent of world trade passes through the Panama Canal".

You made the assumption the 5% pertains only to shipbound items. That assumption is incorrect. 5% of ALL world trade passes through the canal - not 5% of only shipbound cargo - but 5% of ALL cargo (sea, air & land) everywhere in the world. When the reference to all world trade is taken into account - sea air & land - 5% of all of the trade conducted in the world is a very significant figure.

I appreciate your input but why would the canal be even relevant to commerce that is not shipped by boat? Air and land modalities don't require a canal unless the canal is part of the route. How does trade pass through the canal without being shipbound cargo? It's one and the same.

[janl]

I appreciate your input but why would the canal be even relevant to commerce that is not shipped by boat? Air and land modalities don't require a canal unless the canal is part of the route. How does trade pass through the canal without being shipbound cargo? It's one and the same.

I think he meant to say that the percentage would be higher if you would count only the sea-transport. And for american imports probably a lot more then 5% passes the canal. Either way it dont matter much cause without a canal everything would just take a few weeks longer. No big deal just some logistic adjustments.

And we got to this by talking terrorism. I dont think terrorists have the canal very high on their list because the shock-factor would be way too low. And surely rightwing extremists dont have any interest in it.

[EdBowers]

The us spends, how much was it again, 700 billion a year in iraq and afghanistan to make their country more unsafe? so whats budget limitations? Whats a good price on safety anyways?

Yes, that is incredibly stupid. The best for the US would be to revert to 1940 policies as far as military intervention goes. You can obtain a better level of safety by giving everyone who boards an airplane a knife and seal the cockpit than you can with 100,000 TSA apes.

And why again dont you reply to what i say but only to something you think you can make a point on? are you truly that weak eddie? Btw i think holland 3 star resorts as you call them cost about $150-600 depending on the facility and punishment, You still think $3000 is realistic? ANd if we are talking about money so much .. wouldnt it be better to hand out 10 year sentences instead of 60 year sentences then? I mean if finance is the issue .. oops dummy ..

Besides you were noting other limitations last time .. it was about muslims raping children if im not mistaken ..

talk about limitations ..

In Panama the canasta basica is 87 cents a day, slap some concrete on top and maybe around 15 dollars per day would be reasonable for a European prisoner.

Muslim women don't report rapes. If they do they cannot get married, their family would reject/shun them, they are totally fkd, more than one way. You know this.

[janl]

Yes, that is incredibly stupid. The best for the US would be to revert to 1940 policies as far as military intervention goes. You can obtain a better level of safety by giving everyone who boards an airplane a knife and seal the cockpit than you can with 100,000 TSA apes.

In Panama the canasta basica is 87 cents a day, slap some concrete on top and maybe around 15 dollars per day would be reasonable for a European prisoner.

Muslim women don't report rapes. If they do they cannot get married, their family would reject/shun them, they are totally fkd, more than one way. You know this.

We partly agree for once. Although they would still need their apes to fight their senseless war on drugs.. And obviously it would be naive to think that terrorist can only hit on a flight. They can do damage on any day they want in any way they want. The only reason they havent already is cause they have chosen not to. I think that white guy recently proved that.

Sure lets switch to panamanian prisons now cause that suits yr point better again then the american ones ..

Many white women just as well dont report rapes. Dont pretend you dont know there is also a stigma on rape when it comes to non-muslim women.

[EdBowers]

What's it like being slapped around like a little bunny rabbit and being in denial?

We partly agree for once. Although they would still need their apes to fight their senseless war on drugs.. And obviously it would be naive to think that terrorist can only hit on a flight. They can do damage on any day they want in any way they want. The only reason they havent already is cause they have chosen not to. I think that white guy recently proved that.

Sure lets switch to panamanian prisons now cause that suits yr point better again then the american ones ..

Many white women just as well dont report rapes. Dont pretend you dont know there is also a stigma on rape when it comes to non-muslim women.

[janl]

What's it like being slapped around like a little bunny rabbit and being in denial?

Ehmm i dont know eddie .. why dont u tell me?