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    Re: Attacks On Gringos

    Sounds like a newspaper in any city in the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harley View Post
    Sounds like a newspaper in any city in the USA
    Yeah but these articles are from all over panama. small communities or the city it makes no difference here. In the U.S. you can find a safe place away from the inner city trash but here the entire country is full of it!! The average milk toast mom and pop who want to make a go of it here should think twice!!!

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    Kidnapped Woman Released

    Tuesday, January 08 2013 @ 11:56 AM EST
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    A 38 year old woman who was kidnapped last Sunday was released last night in the area of El Nance, Concepción, Juan Díaz.
    Neighbors reported hearing screams for help coming from a residence, where two men who had been guarding her had fled.
    The woman was kidnapped in Villa de Las Acacias.
    The kidnappers demanded $10,000 from her family in exchange for her freedom. (Mi Diario)

    Editor's Comment: I saw on another newspaper that this woman's husband had been murdered in December last year.
    i fail to see where it says this was a gringo , , since your donnys little groupie what has he posted about this wind where having ?

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    Re: Attacks On Gringos

    As the famous criminal Willie Sutton reportedly stated in response to the question why he robbed banks, Willie replied,

    I rob banks because that’s where the money is.”

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    i ROB WHORE HOUSES BECAUSE THATS WHERE THE SERIOUS MONEY IS

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    Quote Originally Posted by globaltreker View Post
    Yeah but these articles are from all over panama. small communities or the city it makes no difference here. In the U.S. you can find a safe place away from the inner city trash but here the entire country is full of it!! The average milk toast mom and pop who want to make a go of it here should think twice!!!
    There is violent crime in virtually every part of the US. Many suburban areas on the west coast are wrecked by meth and the violence that accompanies it, same with crack. You've also got motorcylce gangs, very large, very violent youth and ethnic gangs, mass-murderers in schools, skin-heads, terrorist and many other violent groups that all spill over onto the non-violent public. In Panama the gringo community is affected by almost none of those things- all the serial killers that I know of in the country are all foreigners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbuss View Post
    There is violent crime in virtually every part of the US. Many suburban areas on the west coast are wrecked by meth and the violence that accompanies it, same with crack. You've also got motorcylce gangs, very large, very violent youth and ethnic gangs, mass-murderers in schools, skin-heads, terrorist and many other violent groups that all spill over onto the non-violent public. In Panama the gringo community is affected by almost none of those things- all the serial killers that I know of in the country are all foreigners.
    It is true every country has crime but here in Panama the foreigners are the preferred targets. Also here there is a sense of pride and accomplishment when they can cheat, overcharge, rob, rape or beat a foreigner. The general reply I get here in Penonome when talking about the kidnapping and robbery of 14 at the restaurant in Gorgona is this.... " Well if they weren't in our country that never would have happened". You see folks if you are a victim of crime here it your fault simply for being here! The police feel the same way!! The racism here is very prevalent and you can feel the envy everytime a Pana looks at you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by globaltreker View Post
    It is true every country has crime but here in Panama the foreigners are the preferred targets. Also here there is a sense of pride and accomplishment when they can cheat, overcharge, rob, rape or beat a foreigner. The general reply I get here in Penonome when talking about the kidnapping and robbery of 14 at the restaurant in Gorgona is this.... " Well if they weren't in our country that never would have happened". You see folks if you are a victim of crime here it your fault simply for being here! The police feel the same way!! The racism here is very prevalent and you can feel the envy everytime a Pana looks at you!!
    If you are talking violent crime, as a foreigner you enjoy reverse discrimination- in the fact that you are LESS likely to be victim of violent crime than a local. This likely only applies to the foreigners who live in the upscale, tourist or gated areas. If you live in a house in a non-gated community outside of the previously mentioned areas- then yes, you are likely targeted because you will likely have expensive electronics and other valuables inside and they layers of protection available in the other areas don't apply to you. This was always very obvious to me and as a result I've avoided putting myself in that situation.

    As far as the overcharging etc, while you may be a target in Panama, you are a much bigger target in the US. I'd much rather have a taxi ATTEMPT to overcharge me a few dollars for a taxi, than have my health insurance company, utility company, and property tax collector SUCCEED at overcharging me many thousands a year.

    If the locals you spoke to did in facts say, "Well if they weren't in our country that never would have happened". That would lead me to believe that they were extremely ignorant because A) people from every country get robbed no matter where they are or where they are from and B) many Panamanians get robbed too.

    As far as your comments on racism, I'm starting to get the impression that you don't live in a great area and that you also feel and send out a tremendous amount of negative energy. I've been down here for a while and have loads of local friends and everything you mentioned about racism, envy and bad looks is completely NOT my experience. It sounds to me like the area you are in and the people you are around may be the problem and not Panama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globaltreker View Post
    It is true every country has crime but here in Panama the foreigners are the preferred targets. Also here there is a sense of pride and accomplishment when they can cheat, overcharge, rob, rape or beat a foreigner. The general reply I get here in Penonome when talking about the kidnapping and robbery of 14 at the restaurant in Gorgona is this.... " Well if they weren't in our country that never would have happened". You see folks if you are a victim of crime here it your fault simply for being here! The police feel the same way!! The racism here is very prevalent and you can feel the envy everytime a Pana looks at you!!
    That envy that you are talking about exists everywhere, it's part of the mentality of the poorer and uneducated people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbuss View Post
    If you are talking violent crime, as a foreigner you enjoy reverse discrimination- in the fact that you are LESS likely to be victim of violent crime than a local. This likely only applies to the foreigners who live in the upscale, tourist or gated areas. If you live in a house in a non-gated community outside of the previously mentioned areas- then yes, you are likely targeted because you will likely have expensive electronics and other valuables inside and they layers of protection available in the other areas don't apply to you. This was always very obvious to me and as a result I've avoided putting myself in that situation
    in what i have experianced in the 5 years i have been here i would say you are wrong on this account .i have many friends that live in pedasi on the same street ,right next door to the locals and have never had a prolbem , it does not take long for people to form a impression of people ,anywhere in the world not just here . and most people respond to what they get , i have found that if you treat people with respect that is what you get in return , you come across like some gringos and your local friend list might be very short , all my friends in pedasi have said to me once you make friends with the neighbours they watch out for their friends ,i have seen this when i have been visiting ,most locals spend a great deal of time outside their house on the fact that it will be hot inside and they socialize more that the average north american ,who is inside watching Dancing . so it turns into that many more eyes on the street watching who is coming by . my belief is in the gated gringo ghettos that would be way more of a attraction for the bad guy , . it is expelling two things ,1 , i have more than you . and 2 . even though i live in your country i dont want you near me . you can cut my grass but then get out . so it depends on where you live ,how you come across ,as a friend and equal or as the asshole .the city is a different panama than the rest of the country , thats why i would move back home before i ever lived in that shithole . but thats just me ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbuss View Post
    If you are talking violent crime, as a foreigner you enjoy reverse discrimination- in the fact that you are LESS likely to be victim of violent crime than a local. This likely only applies to the foreigners who live in the upscale, tourist or gated areas. If you live in a house in a non-gated community outside of the previously mentioned areas- then yes, you are likely targeted because you will likely have expensive electronics and other valuables inside and they layers of protection available in the other areas don't apply to you. This was always very obvious to me and as a result I've avoided putting myself in that situation
    in what i have experianced in the 5 years i have been here i would say you are wrong on this account .i have many friends that live in pedasi on the same street ,right next door to the locals and have never had a prolbem , it does not take long for people to form a impression of people ,anywhere in the world not just here . and most people respond to what they get , i have found that if you treat people with respect that is what you get in return , you come across like some gringos and your local friend list might be very short , all my friends in pedasi have said to me once you make friends with the neighbours they watch out for their friends ,i have seen this when i have been visiting ,most locals spend a great deal of time outside their house on the fact that it will be hot inside and they socialize more that the average north american ,who is inside watching Dancing . so it turns into that many more eyes on the street watching who is coming by . my belief is in the gated gringo ghettos that would be way more of a attraction for the bad guy , . it is expelling two things ,1 , i have more than you . and 2 . even though i live in your country i dont want you near me . you can cut my grass but then get out . so it depends on where you live ,how you come across ,as a friend and equal or as the asshole .the city is a different panama than the rest of the country , thats why i would move back home before i ever lived in that shithole . but thats just me ,
    Yes, totally just you... I love the city and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. As for the rest of your post, I was specifically commenting on the instances of crime in a general manner. There are always exceptions but by and large, the single family gringo home outside of a gated community is at the most risk and indeed has the highest instances of home invasion and robbery. Gated communities have guards (can be corrupted but is relatively uncommon in Panama) and a whole bunch more nosey neighbors with better visibility as the houses are close together.

    Your also making several inferences regarding the gated communities- 1st off there are a number of Panamanians who live in them, so the whole "living in your country and don't want you near me" doesn't hold much water and secondly I would strongly argue that by far the main reason people go behind the gates is security.

    Other than that, I agree with what you say about largely getting what you give. I have a great many local friends of all different economic levels and consider my interactions with them to be a wonderful part of my experience of living in Panama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbuss View Post
    If you are talking violent crime, as a foreigner you enjoy reverse discrimination- in the fact that you are LESS likely to be victim of violent crime than a local. This likely only applies to the foreigners who live in the upscale, tourist or gated areas. If you live in a house in a non-gated community outside of the previously mentioned areas- then yes, you are likely targeted because you will likely have expensive electronics and other valuables inside and they layers of protection available in the other areas don't apply to you. This was always very obvious to me and as a result I've avoided putting myself in that situation.

    As far as the overcharging etc, while you may be a target in Panama, you are a much bigger target in the US. I'd much rather have a taxi ATTEMPT to overcharge me a few dollars for a taxi, than have my health insurance company, utility company, and property tax collector SUCCEED at overcharging me many thousands a year.

    If the locals you spoke to did in facts say, "Well if they weren't in our country that never would have happened". That would lead me to believe that they were extremely ignorant because A) people from every country get robbed no matter where they are or where they are from and B) many Panamanians get robbed too.

    As far as your comments on racism, I'm starting to get the impression that you don't live in a great area and that you also feel and send out a tremendous amount of negative energy. I've been down here for a while and have loads of local friends and everything you mentioned about racism, envy and bad looks is completely NOT my experience. It sounds to me like the area you are in and the people you are around may be the problem and not Panama.
    Live in a gated bubble and your experience is different - gee, imagine that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoB View Post
    Live in a gated bubble and your experience is different - gee, imagine that?
    I get that you are being sarcastic, but I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

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    ok but why would a person willingly move to a country where they are scared for their safety ? that would be like saying i am moving to Watts or Compton because i can get a good deal on a house . in that case they should live in a hirise . but i have noticed that the more money a person has the more their perception of safety changes ,never have seen a poor or middle class person with a body guard .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbuss View Post
    I get that you are being sarcastic, but I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
    i did not see that as sarcastic , i know people in this country that no not mingle with the locals ever , know some that wont even walk into a fonda for lunch , so i see his bubble comment as the truth . how many locals have you stopped and picked up that are waiting for a bus ? it is part of my life here to meet them and be friends

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    i did not see that as sarcastic , i know people in this country that no not mingle with the locals ever , know some that wont even walk into a fonda for lunch , so i see his bubble comment as the truth . how many locals have you stopped and picked up that are waiting for a bus ? it is part of my life here to meet them and be friends
    Would you dare eat in a fonda after what Contrail said?
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    Re: Attacks On Gringos

    Nakedguy if you don't remember Contrail, read his post below,

    11-21-2011 #17 (Went to El Valle today.)
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    One of my favorite things is to stop at a local fonda, then when I get the plate I separate it in two parts and leave one side seemingly "untouched". Then I scratch my anus like an infected dog and swirl it around in the rice. Then I suck down as much spit as I can from my nose and offload in the nice and clear rice. I finished it off with a medium yellow bogey that I push in from the side.

    Then I go stand on the side and watch the Panamanian owner put it back in the pot and serve it to the public. Try it yourself - it works every time.

    That is a fonda.


    Originally Posted by nakedguydb (Went to El Valle today.)
    have you ever stopped and eat at a small local fonda ? it is simple food , chicken , rice , beans and a small coleslaw , $ 2 - 2.50 . hundreds of people eat at each everyday



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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    ok but why would a person willingly move to a country where they are scared for their safety ? that would be like saying i am moving to Watts or Compton because i can get a good deal on a house . in that case they should live in a hirise . but i have noticed that the more money a person has the more their perception of safety changes ,never have seen a poor or middle class person with a body guard .
    Who said anyone was scared for their safety?. Just because some people choose to take intelligent precautions doesn't mean they are "scared for their safety"- how many people in the safest, safest section of the U.S. don't lock their doors?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    i did not see that as sarcastic , i know people in this country that no not mingle with the locals ever , know some that wont even walk into a fonda for lunch , so i see his bubble comment as the truth . how many locals have you stopped and picked up that are waiting for a bus ? it is part of my life here to meet them and be friends
    If you don't understand that "gee, imagine that?" is said in a sarcastic tone, then you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. You are trying to generalize thousands of people- sure some people who live in a gated community may not integrate at all, I'm quite sure the majority spend a lot of time outside of that community and interact with a lot of people. Either way, what's wrong with someone living as they want?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo View Post
    Would you dare eating in a fonda after what Contrail said?
    oh yes i remember him or her , just another loser in life , but i think he has been reincarnated on this forum , LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbuss View Post
    Who said anyone was scared for their safety?. Just because some people choose to take intelligent precautions doesn't mean they are "scared for their safety"- how many people in the safest, safest section of the U.S. don't lock their doors?.
    go back and read your reply in post number 191 , you said it all is about safety

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbuss View Post
    I get that you are being sarcastic, but I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
    Naturally you wouldn't........gee, imagine that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    oh yes i remember him or her , just another loser in life , but i think he has been reincarnated on this forum , LOL
    Yes, I have a feeling that he is here with another nickname. But I miss the "real" Contrail, we need some of those losers here to have a good time.

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    Yes, I have a feeling that he is here with another nickname. But I miss the "real" Contrail, we need some of those losers here to have a good time.
    well i dont agree with you on that , go back and read what you posted ,( his post about fondas) it reads like a retarded 6 yr old wrote it .can you imagine any adult even thinking that is funny ,now wont that be something to bring up at a dinner party with friends on how you hork in food at a fonda , might find your friend list got a lot shorter .we should really just feel sorry for all those losers as they have nothing in this world of any substance and feel they are really heros ,living a make believe life in their little minds ,truely very sad .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    go back and read your reply in post number 191 , you said it all is about safety
    Can you not understand the simple fact that "taking precautions for your safety" and "being scared for your safety" are two different things. On any given day almost everyone that gets into a car will put a seat belt on, very, very few of them will have an accident or "be scared for their safety" while they are driving- they will just take the precaution because it makes sense and they will take their ride to where they are going without incident.

    Bottom line however is that regardless of whether or not you can understand it, lots of people are moving to Panama, they feel very safe and are having a great time. I've had 5 friends move down over the last year or so, all of them are extremely happy with the move and the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    well i dont agree with you on that , go back and read what you posted ,( his post about fondas) it reads like a retarded 6 yr old wrote it .can you imagine any adult even thinking that is funny ,now wont that be something to bring up at a dinner party with friends on how you hork in food at a fonda , might find your friend list got a lot shorter .we should really just feel sorry for all those losers as they have nothing in this world of any substance and feel they are really heros ,living a make believe life in their little minds ,truely very sad .
    Yes but when you look at losers like Contrail, you feel how lucky and happy you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo View Post
    Yes but when you look at losers like Contrail, you feel how lucky and happy you are.
    yes i do feel lucky . lucky to be living here with these good people , and lucky my mother raised me better than some so i would know what is expected of a adult .

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    You need a frame of mind in which you are aware of your surroundings and also aware of whom or what could be of help to you if a problem were to arise-Situational Awareness. It appears that most Gringos are oblivious of their surroundings. Wake up.

    In addition, the stupid guns laws in Panama are no help either. I'd be banging on El Jefe Martinelli's door for change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper View Post
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    In addition, the stupid guns laws in Panama are no help either. I'd be banging on El Jefe Martinelli's door for change.

    ya good luck with that , i am sure he will be more than happy to take advise from a gringo in his country . and what are those stupid laws ? that you actually have to be a resident of panama ? and that they dont allow every tourist off the plane to have a gun ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isthiswhower View Post
    Correct, I did mis use my words, which often happens when I've avoided Gringos for the last 20 years such as you. Being stupid and Drunken in an ally way, and also the only dumb Gringo Ambulance driver in the country for the Red Cross.
    So blend in and learn to get along, or become a victim at your resort.
    Please excuse me, for I must go down this ally no other gringo would ever dare go or survive over 2 minutes, and drink awhile. Meto!!!
    I have read about Colon, Panama, so your post fits perfectly to my image.

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