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    Puerto Armuelles?

    Any thoughts on Puerto Armuelles? I have heard that it was originally built by the Chiquita Fruit Company and then when they closed, everything went downhill. Are there any expats living in the area? Thanks for your input!

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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    Yes, they just arrested one and put him in jail for killing a burglar. See Mr Winner's website:

    Expat in Panama Convicted of Murder - Looks Like Blackmail And Corruption - Panama Guide

    It looks very infected with tons of friction between locals and foreigners. It's going to get worse probably.

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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Contrail View Post
    Yes, they just arrested one and put him in jail for killing a burglar. See Mr Winner's website:

    Expat in Panama Convicted of Murder - Looks Like Blackmail And Corruption - Panama Guide

    It looks very infected with tons of friction between locals and foreigners. It's going to get worse probably.
    Doesn't look like a very peaceful place - that's too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebs964 View Post
    Doesn't look like a very peaceful place - that's too bad.
    theres other places in panama, you know .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    theres other places in panama, you know .
    Oh yes, definitely! Real estate in Puerto Armuelles seemed to be really cheap and I was curious as to why. That area seemed to have alot going for it; beaches, close to David and the mountains as well as Costa Rica. I was concerned about the rumor of a pipeline or refinery or something along those lines but it appears that crime might be the real concern. 2 BR ocean view, single family house for under 50k..hmm.. something can't be right.

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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    It is a bit of a dump, also beware of anything too close to the Costa Rican border as foreigners can't own land in that area, (don't count on your realtor or attorney mentioning that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebs964 View Post
    Oh yes, definitely! Real estate in Puerto Armuelles seemed to be really cheap and I was curious as to why. That area seemed to have alot going for it; beaches, close to David and the mountains as well as Costa Rica. I was concerned about the rumor of a pipeline or refinery or something along those lines but it appears that crime might be the real concern. 2 BR ocean view, single family house for under 50k..hmm.. something can't be right.
    they just found around 900 million barrels of oil in the country so your concern about a refinery might not be far off

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
    It is a bit of a dump, also beware of anything too close to the Costa Rican border as foreigners can't own land in that area, (don't count on your realtor or attorney mentioning that.)
    I was aware of the restriction concerning foreigners owning land in that area. Since it is a bit of dump and there are some other concerns, I think I may skip my visit to that area. Don't think I will miss anything. Back to Pedasi, I suppose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebs964 View Post
    I was aware of the restriction concerning foreigners owning land in that area. Since it is a bit of dump and there are some other concerns, I think I may skip my visit to that area. Don't think I will miss anything. Back to Pedasi, I suppose!
    no pedasi is terrible , we have that pothole on main street . simply unmanagable LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    no pedasi is terrible , we have that pothole on main street . simply unmanagable LOL
    Oh the horrors! LOL - do you live in Pedasi? Did they ever build any of those developments? Everything seemed to be "an artist rendering" when I was there in January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebs964 View Post
    Oh the horrors! LOL - do you live in Pedasi? Did they ever build any of those developments? Everything seemed to be "an artist rendering" when I was there in January.
    well i live just outside pedasi on my little finca , i would not be caught dead living in any of those developments out on the beach . , they are building some and finding some chumps to buy a few , but thats a long story over a cold beer , and speaking of beer , you know it is the law in pedasi that newcomers have to buy beer until someone else new moves in . and the coldest beer in pedasi just went up to 60 cents , so bring lots of loot , i can drink about 3 on a hot day LOL

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    This is an old thread. But I have to do my part to give another perspective on Puerto Armuelles.

    We have lived in Puerto for 5 years now. We love it.

    Yes, after Chiquita Banana left in early 2000s, Puerto took a nose dive economically. Many storefronts were boarded up and it looked very depressed.

    However, now new businesses are popping up all over the place.

    While the infrastructure of parks and things are not being upgraded, the town itself is much more bustling. (The issue with the maintenance of parks and other infrastructure has more to do with the Mayor and his priorities than lack of funds).

    Although the Mayor may not be putting money into Puerto, the Panamain government has big plans for Puerto Armuelles. They have funded expanding the road from Paso Canoas (the border town between Costa Rica and Panama) and Puerto Armuelles, from a 2 lane into a 4 lane road.

    The Panamaina government has also allocated the funds to build a deep container port outside of Puerto. The intent is that the deep container port along with the 4 lane road and other improvements will result in a "dry canal" connecting Puerto Armuelles to Chiriqui Grande on the Caribean side. It is anticipated to have the same economic effect as the "wet canal" in Panama City.

    In addition, the government has also cleared the way for a new banana company to buy and operate the former Chiquita banana fincas outside of Puerto Armuelles. Before the huge debt of the workers cooperative was preventing any new company from coming into Puerto. They didn't want to take on that debt.

    There seems to be alot of both private development and government funding focused on Puerto right now. It is noticeable the number of new expats one sees in town, either looking around or buying property.

    Plus, it is just a nice place to live. A great beach town.

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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    Didn't you guys recently have a Gringo put in prison for a very long time for shooting a burglar in the ass (who happened to die). The court allowed rampant racism against the foreigner in the arguments presented by the prosecution.

    Sounds like a fkn shithole to me. What else can you do but sit on your lawn and fondle with yourself?

    Most of the town is within 10 km of the border so isn't it borderline illegal for foreigners to own there?

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    Plus, it is just a nice place to live. A great beach town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2panam View Post
    Didn't you guys recently have a Gringo put in prison for a very long time for shooting a burglar in the ass (who happened to die). The court allowed rampant racism against the foreigner in the arguments presented by the prosecution.

    Sounds like a fkn shithole to me. What else can you do but sit on your lawn and fondle with yourself?

    Most of the town is within 10 km of the border so isn't it borderline illegal for foreigners to own there?
    Wow. That is a very crass and mean spirited reply.

    An ex-US police officer did shoot a burglar. The burglar did, unfortunately, die. However, the person who shot him is not in prison. He living at his house. His case is still making it through the court system.

    Yes, part of the town is within 10km of the border.
    That has not stopped many foreigners from buying and selling land here - both titled and ROP.

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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    How many Ex-cops have shot and killed a burglar in Puerto Armuelles? The last one I read about was convicted in 2011 and sentencing was supposed to be 2 weeks later. Is he still in his house under house arrest?

    American Convicted of Murder For Shooting Drug Addict Burglar in Panama - Panama Guide

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    The gentleman in question lives up the street from us.

    His case is under appeal. He is not under house arrest. He has not been sentenced yet. The sentencing will occur after the appeal is completed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by betsy View Post
    This is an old thread. But I have to do my part to give another perspective on Puerto Armuelles.

    We have lived in Puerto for 5 years now. We love it.

    Yes, after Chiquita Banana left in early 2000s, Puerto took a nose dive economically. Many storefronts were boarded up and it looked very depressed.

    However, now new businesses are popping up all over the place.

    While the infrastructure of parks and things are not being upgraded, the town itself is much more bustling. (The issue with the maintenance of parks and other infrastructure has more to do with the Mayor and his priorities than lack of funds).

    Although the Mayor may not be putting money into Puerto, the Panamain government has big plans for Puerto Armuelles. They have funded expanding the road from Paso Canoas (the border town between Costa Rica and Panama) and Puerto Armuelles, from a 2 lane into a 4 lane road.

    The Panamaina government has also allocated the funds to build a deep container port outside of Puerto. The intent is that the deep container port along with the 4 lane road and other improvements will result in a "dry canal" connecting Puerto Armuelles to Chiriqui Grande on the Caribean side. It is anticipated to have the same economic effect as the "wet canal" in Panama City.

    In addition, the government has also cleared the way for a new banana company to buy and operate the former Chiquita banana fincas outside of Puerto Armuelles. Before the huge debt of the workers cooperative was preventing any new company from coming into Puerto. They didn't want to take on that debt.

    There seems to be alot of both private development and government funding focused on Puerto right now. It is noticeable the number of new expats one sees in town, either looking around or buying property.

    Plus, it is just a nice place to live. A great beach town.
    i see that by the link you are selling dirt or something there so i can see why you love it there , but for most people looking to settle somewhere i dont believe they would want to live in a container port town , thousands of trucks moving cans along with the transit employees that go with it and in the banana industry as well . but each to his own .

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    Don't you think it's an extremely stupid idea to live somewhere where you have to break the law?

    At any time they can decide to enforce their laws and simply take possession of your property.

    Quote Originally Posted by betsy View Post
    Yes, part of the town is within 10km of the border.
    That has not stopped many foreigners from buying and selling land here - both titled and ROP.

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    Maybe it is a place to rent and enjoy the beach and not purchase there? Reading through the posts it has a bad reputation. It is one of the few places I have not seen in Panama and I am not sure I need to.

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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    Hello All,

    We also live in Puerto Armuelles, and We love it. My family and I travelled all over Panama for four months, before finally deciding on Puerto Armuelles. We also liked Pedasi, but after spending three weeks there, we just felt that it didn't have enough to offer our family, in terms of variety. But, it would be silly to compare a tiny place like Pedasi which has a few hundred residents, with a town of 22,000 inhabitants which Puerto Armuelles has. Better to compare Puerto to Chitre, a large town near Pedasi, also on the Azuero Peninsula. What we like best about Puerto Armuelles is that it is right on the ocean, has all the services and supplies that one needs, so one needn't drive to Paso Canoas, or to David very often (I think we went to David only eight or ten times last year (Of course, some expats drive to David several times per week. If you don't mind driving, David seems to have more shopping options every week---the place is booming).

    I hope this is helpful.

    Cheers

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    How clean are the beaches there? The beaches in Pedasi have lots of trash on them that washes in on the high tides. That was the most dissapointing thing about Pedasi. The owner of a hotel on the beach there where surfing is poular told me they keep the beach in front of the hotel clean but it is an impossible task to stay ahead of the trash on the entire beach. At Least she was honest about it!!!

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    Hi as I said in my last post, my family really enjoyed the Azuero Peninsula, and Pedasi.

    We even took one final weekend trip there, after we had already pretty much made up our minds to move to Puerto Armuelles, just to see if we might be wrong. We liked Pedasi, plus the surfing is better in that area, and I love to surf.

    However, you remind me that the beaches nearest to Pedasi (I think one is called Playa Toro?) were truly the most amazingly dirty beaches I've ever seen. We were there at the end of the rainy season, so in all fairness, the beaches weren't being maintained by the locals, who generally only use the beaches in the dry season (school holidays).

    However, it was explained to us that Pedasi and the Azuero have an unfortunate geography in terms of ocean currents and marine garbage originating in Panama City. When we were there, on Playa Toro we were up to our shins in garbage, with items such as tires, and even a refrigerator door in evidence.

    However, Playa Venao, the surfing beach about twenty minutes drive from Pedasi was garbage free (maybe the restaurants and hotels patrol the beach for garbage).

    Puerto Armuelles is definitely better. We don't receive garbage from Panama City.

    Having said that, the local Panamanians do not have a very advanced sense of ecological responsibility, and most folks let their trash fall whereever. Still, the beaches are pretty clean. Very clean in front of properties belonging to Gringos. For instance, our gardener spends a few minutes every once in awhile doing beach cleanup.

    In fact, there is a company called EBASA (Palm Oil) whose owner lives near the beach of Corazon de Jesus (a neighborhood just north of the center of town) , and his crews patrol about a kilometer of beach all summer long, collecting garbage, drift wood, etc. and burning it.

    This year the beaches have looked really clean, probably due to this company's efforts, and the fact that there are more gringo owners on the beach these days who have their employees do beach cleanup.

    That was a long way of saying, the beaches in Puerto are pretty clean these days.
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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    Thanks to betsy and raindog for the informative posts regarding Puerto Armuelles. I haven't see much info on some the places near Costa Rica. Next time I'm down there I'm going to make a point to visit. Thanks again.

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    I found the beaches of playa venau to be the dirtiest with shin deep garbage of every variety. Playa del toro had some trash but but venau was worse. Guess it depends on the winds and tides who ends up with the most garbage everyday. I will visit your area just to compare it to other places in Panama and South America I have visited.

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    Re: Puerto Armuelles?

    Here you can see the 10 KM line or in essence where it's illegal to own property.

    Still a few airheads recommend it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2panam View Post
    Here you can see the 10 KM line or in essence where it's illegal to own property.

    Still a few airheads recommend it.


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    Hi Everyone,

    I am by no means an expert on titling land in Panama. I continue to hear conflicting stories about where you can and cannot title land. Since I live in Puerto Armuelles, I can say that the map this fellow has drawn looks pretty realistic as to the 10k boundary with Costa Rica. Certainly Puerto Armuelles falls within this zone. Thankfully, most of the nicest beaches in Puerto Armuelles are just outside of town, both South as well as north. My family owns a place on the beach in Corazon de Jesus neighborhood, about five minutes drive north from downtown Puerto Armuelles. I like it because it's quieter than downtown, the beaches are cleaner, and there are occasionally waves for surfing. We have not bothered to title land, since we don't know of anyone who has had a problem retaining ownership by means of the "right of posesion" ownership. However, there are certainly expats, as well as Panamanians, who are getting title to land in this area. My understanding is that there are some new rules, based on the "Agrarian Reform act" which allow foreigners to hold title to beach front property.

    We have friends in downtown Puerto Armuelles who also have obtained title to oceanfront property within the city limits, even though this is clearly within the ten kilometer limit of Costa Rica. They have explained to me that land that is directly behind the town breakwater is subject to a different set of rules that have to do with the Municipality. I am unclear about these rules. As I have said, I am no expert.

    The best thing to do is probably to visit Puerto Armuelles, or any other place that you are interested in learning more about, particularly if you are already in the country---it's a nice drive. And it doesn't take long. It would be unwise to take my opinion, or that of any other subscriber to this forum as gospel, without following up with your own research.

    I am new to this forum, so I will close by saying that I wish happiness and love to all forum visitors. May we all remember that we are here to help each other.

    All the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by raindog View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    I am by no means an expert on titling land in Panama. I continue to hear conflicting stories about where you can and cannot title land. Since I live in Puerto Armuelles, I can say that the map this fellow has drawn looks pretty realistic as to the 10k boundary with Costa Rica. Certainly Puerto Armuelles falls within this zone. Thankfully, most of the nicest beaches in Puerto Armuelles are just outside of town, both South as well as north. My family owns a place on the beach in Corazon de Jesus neighborhood, about five minutes drive north from downtown Puerto Armuelles. I like it because it's quieter than downtown, the beaches are cleaner, and there are occasionally waves for surfing. We have not bothered to title land, since we don't know of anyone who has had a problem retaining ownership by means of the "right of posesion" ownership. However, there are certainly expats, as well as Panamanians, who are getting title to land in this area. My understanding is that there are some new rules, based on the "Agrarian Reform act" which allow foreigners to hold title to beach front property.

    We have friends in downtown Puerto Armuelles who also have obtained title to oceanfront property within the city limits, even though this is clearly within the ten kilometer limit of Costa Rica. They have explained to me that land that is directly behind the town breakwater is subject to a different set of rules that have to do with the Municipality. I am unclear about these rules. As I have said, I am no expert.

    The best thing to do is probably to visit Puerto Armuelles, or any other place that you are interested in learning more about, particularly if you are already in the country---it's a nice drive. And it doesn't take long. It would be unwise to take my opinion, or that of any other subscriber to this forum as gospel, without following up with your own research.

    I am new to this forum, so I will close by saying that I wish happiness and love to all forum visitors. May we all remember that we are here to help each other.

    All the best
    but it all still comes back to betsy saying they are talking about putting in a container port , that will be the end of the nice area , just go up to colon and look at that dump . and just guessing, but years ago thet talked about putting a refinery somewhere in the area , and now they think they have found oil in panama , so it might be nice now but also add in transit banana pickers to the farms they are working on opening again . . enjoy it while you can . but thousands of trucks a day hauling containers around is not going to be so nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    but it all still comes back to betsy saying they are talking about putting in a container port , that will be the end of the nice area , just go up to colon and look at that dump . and just guessing, but years ago thet talked about putting a refinery somewhere in the area , and now they think they have found oil in panama , so it might be nice now but also add in transit banana pickers to the farms they are working on opening again . . enjoy it while you can . but thousands of trucks a day hauling containers around is not going to be so nice
    Hi,

    I don't think that a little bit of development in Puerto Armuelles is going to spell doom for retiring expats there. I saw a model of the proposed multi-use port facility, and it looked great, and definitely not huge. Plus it offered a small boat marina for those of us in Puerto Armuelles who own boats. I, like most of the expats I've talked to are praying that the new port facility will come tomorrow.

    As for the refinery, for awhile there were rumours about that one, but those have all dried up. I'm not in favor of the big-oil industry, anywhere, but if oil extraction exploration were such a disaster, why are places like Santa Barbara, California, with all the oil derricks just offshore, also home to the most expensive beach front real estate on the planet? If a refinery comes to Puerto Armuelles, which everyone doubts, it's going to be six miles south of town, and it will only effect Puerto by offering more employment, and adding to the problem of how to get the human race onto a more sane source of fuel, and learning to consume less (this is subject for another forum).

    The final point I will make vis a vis all the "impending disaster" just around the bend for Puerto Armuelles is that sometijmes I get the feeling that folks from one part of Panama intentionally say something bad about another part of Panama in order to try to elliminate some perceived competition that they feel. I am of the complete opposite opinion. I think that if Pedasi, or Boquete, or Bocas del Toro is a good place for someone to live, I would encourage them to live there. My family has visited Pedasi several times, and we loved it. It would be a great place for many folks. I think anyone could be happy there. In fact, the more happy folks that Pedasi attracts, the better off the rest of us will be here in Puerto Armuelles, up in Boquete, or in the Caribbean in Bocas del Toro. My Theory is that, in the same way that treating people well, not being crass, or rude, are good ways to make friends and influence people, so too, wishing all the best to people in other parts of Panama, or anywhere in the world for that matter, will be likely to attract a lot more good will, even good fortune into one's life. There truly is no perfect life waiting here in Panama, if you don't have an open hearted, loving attitude toward others, and toward life itself. The person we see in the mirror has far more impact on our day, than how much garbage is or isn't on the beach. We've all seen plenty of miserable folks sulking on yachts, or bickering in ski resorts, or frowning in feraris; Just because I happen to really enjoy living in Puerto Armuelles, Panama, that certainly doesn't mean that I don't still have to take responsibilty for, and put effort into being happy every day.

    Excuse me for lecturing, but as I said, sometimes the forum smacks of a competition or a negativity fest.

    In closing, I would like to wish happiness and love to all forum participants. Peace.

    Your friend,

    Raindog

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedguydb View Post
    no pedasi is terrible , we have that pothole on main street . simply unmanagable LOL
    Come on now I've seen at least two!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raindog View Post
    Hi,

    I don't think that a little bit of development in Puerto Armuelles is going to spell doom for retiring expats there. I saw a model of the proposed multi-use port facility, and it looked great, and definitely not huge. Plus it offered a small boat marina for those of us in Puerto Armuelles who own boats. I, like most of the expats I've talked to are praying that the new port facility will come tomorrow.

    As for the refinery, for awhile there were rumours about that one, but those have all dried up. I'm not in favor of the big-oil industry, anywhere, but if oil extraction exploration were such a disaster, why are places like Santa Barbara, California, with all the oil derricks just offshore, also home to the most expensive beach front real estate on the planet? If a refinery comes to Puerto Armuelles, which everyone doubts, it's going to be six miles south of town, and it will only effect Puerto by offering more employment, and adding to the problem of how to get the human race onto a more sane source of fuel, and learning to consume less (this is subject for another forum).

    The final point I will make vis a vis all the "impending disaster" just around the bend for Puerto Armuelles is that sometijmes I get the feeling that folks from one part of Panama intentionally say something bad about another part of Panama in order to try to elliminate some perceived competition that they feel. I am of the complete opposite opinion. I think that if Pedasi, or Boquete, or Bocas del Toro is a good place for someone to live, I would encourage them to live there. My family has visited Pedasi several times, and we loved it. It would be a great place for many folks. I think anyone could be happy there. In fact, the more happy folks that Pedasi attracts, the better off the rest of us will be here in Puerto Armuelles, up in Boquete, or in the Caribbean in Bocas del Toro. My Theory is that, in the same way that treating people well, not being crass, or rude, are good ways to make friends and influence people, so too, wishing all the best to people in other parts of Panama, or anywhere in the world for that matter, will be likely to attract a lot more good will, even good fortune into one's life. There truly is no perfect life waiting here in Panama, if you don't have an open hearted, loving attitude toward others, and toward life itself. The person we see in the mirror has far more impact on our day, than how much garbage is or isn't on the beach. We've all seen plenty of miserable folks sulking on yachts, or bickering in ski resorts, or frowning in feraris; Just because I happen to really enjoy living in Puerto Armuelles, Panama, that certainly doesn't mean that I don't still have to take responsibilty for, and put effort into being happy every day.

    Excuse me for lecturing, but as I said, sometimes the forum smacks of a competition or a negativity fest.

    In closing, I would like to wish happiness and love to all forum participants. Peace.

    Your friend,

    Raindog
    well if living in a container port with a refinery just 6 miles down the road is your idea of a great place I am very happy you have found it ,but I think for the most part people want to know the whole story , so you get the people with the rose colored glasses and then you get the others , and if you want to see a port city in panama go to colon , just dont go at night , and be very careful in the day , I know I have been there ,

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