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    What can I do with an offshore company?

    Hi! I'm new to this forum. I just set up an offshore company, but stopped to ask myself: What can I do with an offshore company? Your thoughts are appreciated.

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    You can do just about anything that you could do with a normal company. The only difference is that you pay no taxes and that you can remain anonymous to the public if you want to. Most people who set up offshore companies seem to open bank accounts, enter into contracts, do business, invest, hold assets, etc.

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    What offshore company do you have, Kitty? Harold is right but be sure to have an idea that can be noticed by people too if you are in the sales business. And offshore companies really don't have to pay taxes? Are they exempted? If that's true then I might start one company like that!

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    You as a person still have to pay taxes for any income you personally get, no matter where you get it. Why did you set up an offshore company if you didn't know what you would do with it?

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    Thank you all for replying. I mainly use the company to do deals on the internet, like buying stuff. I was told that a company can be used to remain anonymous and that's what caught my attention after having had my identity stolen on the internet (which sucks). I haven't set up any business yet but maybe I'll do so in the future.

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    Can someone tell your old Panama pal what exactly is an offshore company? How does one set such an account up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooltraveler2 View Post
    You as a person still have to pay taxes for any income you personally get, no matter where you get it. Why did you set up an offshore company if you didn't know what you would do with it?
    Many offshore companies are not used for 'visible' business; that is, they don't own stores, restaurants, etc.--they are used as ownership vehicles for foreign assets, bank accounts, land, etc. as they are a great way to keep one's personal information private.
    Only American and Libyans are subject to taxation on foreign-earned income; if you think this is seriously unjust, then I suggest you write your Congressional representative/senator. Otherwise, there are systems set in place that can let you use your offshore company as a foundation--which has different laws regarding use of income and taxation. As always, consult a law firm that has a proveable track record of establishing and aiding in the administration of such an asset vehicle.

    Good places to start:
    International Living - Buy Real Estate, Retire Overseas
    Asset Protection Plans, Offshore Asset Protection Services
    The Tax Prophet: Offshore Asset Protection - the Basics
    And as always, a little google goes a long way...
    Offshore asset protection - Google Search

    Cheers.
    Last edited by Lalaguayaba; 08-16-2007 at 04:32 PM. Reason: Spelling

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    When you guys are talking about an offshore company, are you talking about a company that is in a foreign country or are you talking about a company that is in no country at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themark View Post
    When you guys are talking about an offshore company, are you talking about a company that is in a foreign country? Or are you talking about a company that is in no country at all?
    No country at all? Where are you going to file your papers and wire your money? The Bermuda Triangle? Atlantis? A gigantic cruise dedicated to banking in international waters?

    I respect that you are after some knowledge here, but please try and read any links posted to the previous notes--they have a tendency to contain all the necessary information.

    For these purposes, 'offshore' refers to incorporating, banking, investing, etc. in a country that you don't currently live in/have citizenship in...

    But, please, in the future, read the links...that's why they are there in the first place!

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lalaguayaba View Post
    No country at all? Where are you going to file your papers and wire your money? The Bermuda Triangle? Atlantis? A gigantic cruise dedicated to banking in international waters?
    That made me laugh out loud.

    I always thought the term offshore was misleading, though. Especially since another foreign countries might be connected by land, rather than separated by seas.

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    I do not see a real need to have an offshore bank account unless you just want to stash your money for a while so the tax man cannot steal some of it. It is a very good way to keep savings without being taxed on it and it is always good to keep full anonymity on the Internet and having an offshore account really helps keep your money safe and keep yourself anonymous.

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    which banks can you recomend, where u can have a atm-card that u can use all around the world? How much does it cost to have a bankaccount in Panama, with or without a card, maybe with a internetaccount and so on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonAmb View Post
    I do not see a real need to have an offshore bank account unless you just want to stash your money for a while so the tax man cannot steal some of it. It is a very good way to keep savings without being taxed on it and it is always good to keep full anonymity on the Internet and having an offshore account really helps keep your money safe and keep yourself anonymous.
    Are there any risks involved in having an offshore company? Is there any ways you can lose your money like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonAmb View Post
    I do not see a real need to have an offshore bank account unless you just want to stash your money for a while so the tax man cannot steal some of it.
    There is a huge difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.
    The former is quite legal and should be discussed and planned with an attorney/accountant combo; the latter is quite illegal and will get you a few years in a federal penitentiary. This quote was about offshore bank accounts not offshore corporations--but apparently treats them the same, as the company requires the bank account.
    As an American citizen, any profit made from your investments, unless properly vehicle-ized, it subject to taxation. This includes interest, and capital gains made on sales of stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc. The 'tax men' are not stealing it as such, they are just levying their legal responsibility to part a citizen from their profits. A well-structured offshore company, like a foundation, will enable one to profit legally, without relinquishing too much to the 'tax men.'

    As for myself, I like the foreign-market access that such an account provides; if I were limited to using an American account with an American firm, I couldn't enjoy the ability to invest in several Asian markets and eastern European markets that do not trade publicly in the U.S. And with the fall in the dollar, I find it increasingly useful to work in Euros--having a value based in over a dozen countries is apparently a little more stable than being based on one country's currency.

    It is a very good way to keep savings without being taxed on it and it is always good to keep full anonymity on the Internet and having an offshore account really helps keep your money safe and keep yourself anonymous.
    As above, and previously stated by others--you will be taxed on profit taken as personal income if you are an American citizen. The anonymity is a sweet side to this type of investment. As far as keeping one's money safe--I'm sure lots of Argentines felt safe about their $$ until their country's economy collapsed, and all the banks with it; millionaires were crushed overnight, and lives were ruined due to the trust and reliance on one country's currency. Diversification amongst the world's stable currencies, instead of investment solely in one's homeland, sets a the stage for liquidity rather than poverty.

    Cheers.

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    Due to globalization I personally feel that if you have all of your money in one country it is like having "all of your eggs in one basket". There is allot of good info in this thread, always check with an attorney

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    My point exactly--despite all the good jokes, an effective lawyer is necessary to a life well lived....

    Cheers.

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    Keeping your money in more than one country and in more than one currency will help reduce your risk of losing it all.

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    Wow! Thanks for paraphrasing what Mr. Woohoo and I managed to say!
    Yippee for clarification!

    Cheers.

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    Any more updates on your offshore company, Kitty? It's been a few months since you originally posted this thread.

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    Panamanian corporations can be used for international trade, to settle trusts or foundations, to establish and own bank or brokerage accounts, or hold ownership of real estate or any other type of assets.
    Rgds.

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    Yep

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    What can you do with an offshore company? You can hide your money from taxes. That's what!

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    There's a huge difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance; namely, the former is going to get one put in prison, and the latter will make sure one's retirement savings don't go to fund the gov't's next war.

    But, to tentatively agree--sure, its a method to protect one's fund from undue taxation.

    Cheers.

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    I would also agree that the main reason for people to set up an offshore company is to get away from paying taxes. If you are really interested in this topic you will find many articles online on this topic. I can recommend this general article on offshore companies and this one is a FAQ list on offshore outsourcing.
    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty View Post
    Thank you all for replying. I mainly use the company to do deals on the internet, like buying stuff. I was told that a company can be used to remain anonymous and that's what caught my attention after having had my identity stolen on the internet (which sucks). I haven't set up any business yet but maybe I'll do so in the future.
    well, I think if you would like to do business online, it is not bad for you to do international trade .
    I am doing international trade for my company now, and it is good if you have a offshore company, and this kind of company can help you save your runing cost.
    and what kind of business you can do ? I think that based on your funds status.

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    Almost anything but retail unless your have ALLOT of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRWOOHOO View Post
    Almost anything but retail unless your have ALLOT of money.
    I think you are right,but I think he also can do some small service company,so he will not have to bear a lot of money when his business starting.

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    Anything service oriented is pretty open unless a certification is required and even then a good attorney can help. This is the country to start a business in, no problem.

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    I would like to setup a company here in Panama for IT development. However I would not personally be living here, rather the programmers would be Panamanian - My clients would be in Europe, North America etc... - Can I do this by setting up a company here and off-shore bank account so I can invoice clients from Panama globally and pay my programmers? The groundwork is done, my clients exist, I just want to get the ball rolling now in Panama...

    Can I avoid 40K small biz visa with this as I wont live here?

    Any input would be highly regarded...

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    Setting up a company offshore is not something that everyone needs to do. The advantages of incorporating in Panama are that there are strict banking secrecy laws here to protect your privacy and the ability to register bearer share corporations.

    Bearer share corporations are owned by the person who physically holds the share certificates. Ownership can be passed to another person simply by handing them the shares. No record of this ownership transfer is kept in public records.

    In addition, bearer share corporations can be registered using nominee directors which keeps your name from appearing in any public registry as being associated with that company.

    It's great for privacy... offers you some tax advantages if you are able to use it for a business where the income is derived outside of Panama (for example a website business).

    A great resource for more information on bearer share corporations can be found at:

    http://www.offshorelegal.org/bearer-...rporation.html ... sorry there is a little sales talk on this page but the information is still quite relevant.

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