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Maybe you guys should stop talking about what YOU LIKE and instead talk about what you WANT TO FORCE down someone else's throat. One of the reasons I left California was the fkn abusive and retarded herding of people out the doors at 1.45 AM. Depreciation rules that does not match Federal and so on. This is not about what YOU LIKE, it's about GOVERNMENT CONTROL and abuse, the reason WHY (many of us) WE FUCKING MOVED HERE.
i agree .. but it would be pretty awesome if you would leave, so im hesitating if i'm for or against ..Originally Posted by Contrail
Working on a pro/con list for the US right now - analyzing whether or not to be legal or illegal. Any Mexicans here?
Going to US legally:
1. X-ray scan.
2. Asked personal and nonsense questions.
3. Photograph you.
4. Finger prints, each hand for 10 fingers in total.
5. Investigate amount of money you are carrying.
6. Force you to have return ticket although you have not decided when to leave.
7. Visa approval without appeal.
8. Copy your passport.
9. Search of personal items, luggage and hand-padding of groin.
10. Taxed at 40 %.
Illegally:
1. Free return transport.
2. Food stamps for kids.
3. Education for kids.
4. Free medical care.
5. Work without being taxed.
well there you go . if I was a american i would denounce my citizenship and then sneak back into the country and get all those free perks
Whatever, obviously these sick laws will stick given the response. I got some visitors in December, then I am out of here. What's left to do but to kick sand.
They are planning on tax filings for offshore corporations as well now so it's all over.
GET IN LINE FOLKS, over and out.
ooh dont leave , we will miss all the care and compassion you bring to this site , and i wont have anyone to tease except janl . and he is not near as much fun as you . and dont kick to much sand on the beach by the city as something stinky might just stick in your toes .
janl (11-24-2011)
We're like frogs in a pot. Drop 'em in boiling water and they jump out. Put them in tepid water and you can boil them one degree at a time without them doing anything. Be careful your government isn't boiling your freedom one degree at a time. I see examples almost daily, typically in the form of the government telling businesses what they can or cannot do instead of letting the marketplace (me and you) decide price and service. Gee, just this week: Bill introduced to ban airlines from charging bag fee (raising air fares of ALL travelers instead of nit wits that carry too much crap with them when they travel), bill proposed to limit stores opening late Thanksgiving night for early shopping, etc. I don't honestly care if a club decides it will open at Midnight and close at 7:00 am. (Decades ago we had bars open early in the morning for factory workers working midnights to drink and no one cared.) I don't care if restaurants want to serve fatty food and allow smoking. If I don't like it, I can choose a restaurant that serves healthier food and disallows smoking. But, I'm the one that decided, not the government. Just as I may choose to NOT eat every meal at McDonald's (and you decide to do so), I will also choose NOT to pay for your increased health care costs.
Let me know where the exercise of personal freedom is still allowed.
janl (11-24-2011)
nowhere in the world is there total freedom to do as you wish . unless you own the island . and being foreigners in this country means you can cuss until you are blue in the face and it means squat . you can leave your home country for the reasons you list . you can stay and fight or disagree with your goverment , here we can watch . go out and demonstrate on the strrets with the locals and see where that gets you . is that right ? i am not sure , we are guests here . so bitching on a site like this will do nothing to improve the way the country is run . but it will get your blood pressure up . if you really feel something needs to be done use your time here to talk to the locals and explain to them what is happening , maybe they will do something that we can not .
I just had to post this email from our IL (Illusionary Living)--I think they're reading our posts. LOL Don't miss the last sentence:
Reasons to be Thankful: “The Government Stays Off Your Back”
By Jessica Ramesch
In Boquete, you want a really good camera. That’s because the mountain views are lavish and rainbows appear nearly every day. Karl and Liz Parker fell for this landscape when they first arrived. Now they live in Panama part of the year, spending the rest of their time traveling or back in the U.S. with family.
As pensionados, or “pensioners,” Karl and Liz are entitled to discounts in Panama on everything from entertainment to airfare. They’re entitled to 25% off their monthly power bill, 50% off weekday hotel stays, 15% off dental and eye exams, and more.
And the best part of Panama’s pensionado program is that it grants “pensioners” or retirees like Karl and Liz residency in Panama…for as long as they like.
But while the discounts are great, they’re not the reason Karl and Liz moved here. A lot of their favorite activities cost little to nothing. Liz enjoys hiking and walking tours. She even manages to make a little money. A former beauty-shop owner, she has been doing professional hair coloring for years. When word got out in the expat community, people began to seek her out.
“People get upset when they hear she’s leaving for the States,” jokes Karl.
Karl starts his day here with a few hours on his computer, after which he makes his way along a winding mountain road to a cozy place called Sugar & Spice where, he enjoys a breakfast of freshly made empanadas and a cup of some of best coffee in the world.
Karl and Liz bought their home in Boquete four years ago. It’s in a quiet, mostly Panamanian sector called Alto Boquete. The gable roof, vanilla ice-cream tone, and decorative stonework fit right in, among by pines.
Homes like theirs will set you back as little as $100,000. Smaller homes can cost $20,000 less. Some U.S.-style homes in Boquete go for $200,000 to $300,000, but Karl says, “you really don’t have to spend that much for a house in Boquete. There are many homes on the market right now.”
Karl’s house is never quite “finished.” After his morning café, he often spends rainy afternoons working on it. He has installed new hot water heaters, water storage tanks, and painted it inside and out. It’s a work in progress.
Evenings, he and his wife Liz enjoy an array of local events…there are plays, courtesy of an active English-language theater group…charity events…music concerts.
“Some of the presentations have been just excellent…better than back home,” Karl says.
When I ask whether, one day, they’ll choose to stay in one place full-time, Karl hesitates. He has pet peeves…like anyone…but most everything here, to Karl, is a plus.
“My wife really likes Panama,” he says. “And it suits me. Panama has lots going for it. And the government stays off your back.”
Re: Panama Carrot Law
The administrator of the Panama Tourism Authority, Salo Shamah, changed his mind on the new "Carrot Law." Although at first he was one of the opponents of the implementation of this regulation, now he says the measure is necessary, and he denied it might have negative effects on the development of tourism in the country. He explained that according to studies, most people who visit other countries do not stay out past 2:00 am on the streets, because they are in places they don't know well. About the fact that the measure may represent unfair competition between nightclubs and hotels, which will continue operating past 2:00 am and 3:00 am, Samah considered it unlikely that people are willing to pay a higher price on alcoholic drinks.
BalaBeacher (11-28-2011)
im shocked panama actually has a tourism authority ..
....and a pretty website! Visit Panama
LOL look what's on there: "Oficial language: Spanish. However, most Panamanians speak very good english."
AH HA! They DO understand me! They're just ignoring me! Got it!
Annepannetje (12-11-2011)
More government control.
Panama Government Will Install RFID Chips On Every Private Vehicle - Panama Guide
Pfff they go 1st world with all the wrong things ..
I expect this poorly planned law to be lifted once they see how much revenue they are loosing. We are talking BROTHELS, STRIP CLUBS, and dance clubs shut down at 2-3 am. I mean the top girls at elite do not start coming in the front door until 30- 40 mins after mid night. I want to see what the excuse when the murder rate continues to soar.
I quite understand this law...
In Brazil, the slum areas showed reduced mudered rates when bars and disco clubs were closed after 1 am... Also, there is the issue of drinking and driving which accicdents always affect a third party...
Also, the chip to be put in the cars is also being tedted in Brazil as pilot, and it can really help to avoid car robberies (since many cars robbered in Brazil are taken to Paraguay and Bolivia to be reselled)...
But as always, laws and actions that are created to have good result also carry bad ones... For the Carrot Law, if you close discos and bars at 3 am you can undermine tourism and even cause unemployment...
About the cars, well, it will make easier to find those ones that don´t pay taxes...
NakedGuydb - You are tooooo funny! Everytime I see a post from you my funnybone starts to salivate (hmm...physically possible?). Seriously, keep the common sense coming. It's so nice to find a bit of sanity once in a while. There seems to be an awful lot of whining going on in this forum. Hey, complainers! Shocking as it may sound, you can vote with your feet!
Where's the problem with the curfew, can't you go out a few hours earlier?
Zona la Rumba (as it is called now) won't die and also not Calle Uruguay or Elite or, or, or...
And @Contrail: fascist dictatorship in Panama?
Have a look at your own laws in the states and compare it to Panama, you will find out that in Panama they do not have a Patriot Act which allows them to imprison you instantly and indefinitely w/o seeing any judge or even an attorney, and they are not allowed to torture you by law...
Next time please make a second thought on what you are talking 'bout, and a third one reviewing your own country.
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