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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    If you had invested in Microsoft you wouldn't have lost all your money.

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    I guess I need to repost this so you get a better aggressive answer:

    Too bad Panama doesn't have military dictatorship anymore where they could just round people up and spray them with 7.62 mm. Mr. Wan obviously needs to be neutered by having his nutsack attached to 20 car batteries. Alternatively, split his tongue in half with a razor, hold his nose, force his head up and watch Satan's little helper drown in his own blood (rub Adam's apple for added effects).

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    While we are waiting for the Dubai attorney to enlighten us, here is a criminal attorney with 18 years of fraud experience:

    "We get a lot of questions here about Virgin Gold MIning Corporation, and we believe they are a likely are probably Ponzi scheme, which is illegal. While the site itself is low-key about investment opportunities, if you run a search for them on the web, you will find a lot of very contradictory reports. There are heaps of praises from investors who claim that they have been getting high returns from investing in VGMC, but also many scam warnings about the company's real nature.

    There's a lot of mystery about the company. A lot of traffic is being driven to it, but by investors rather than the by the company itself. Apart from attracting investors, Virgin Gold doesn't seem to have any other accomplishments as a business. The site itself doesn't so much as list one actual gold mine with which they are involved. The enterprise seems geared to investment not to product -- lots of investors makiing lots of noise about lots of money to attract new investors.

    Virgin Gold MIning's offices are off limits to most investors. They are based in Panama, where corporation rules are lax, and where it's nearly impossible to access corporate records. All of the above supports the Ponzi theory.

    A Ponzi scheme relies on money brought in from bottom level investors who fund the efforts of the top. Here's the definition of a Ponzi scheme as explained in the literature of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners. So the enthusiasm of the site promotors could be self-serving. All they are trying to do is to get new investors to keep the Ponzi alive.

    Ponzi schemes are not only illegal but they are also self limiting. Ponzis need a perpetual source of new investors to pay off the earnings of the old one. Eventually their business model cannot be sustained, because the bottom can no longer support the top. When that happens, the whole thing will then collapse, which is what happened, for example, with Madoff's Ponzi. There have been some very few exceptions, but most Ponzis last on an average about 2 years. VCMG is getting there, and even if their adherents are truthful and it has always been paying off, the site is not going to do so forever.

    International investing is very tightly regulated. VCMG cannot lawfully play in this ballpark. Both the Malaysian and the Singapore securities and exchange commissions have posted investor alerts for VGMC. There may well be others but these make my point.

    Here is the link to the Singapore international alert. Investor Alert List
    Here is the link for Malaysia: http://www.sc.com..my/main.asp?pageid=1032&menuid=272&newsid=&linkid=&ty pe=#v As you can see, VGMC is unlicensed to engage in the activity it is asking you to help sponsor.

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
    If you had invested in Microsoft you wouldn't have lost all your money.
    if bill gates at that time offering convertible preffered stock of microsoft... i'll subscribes and join the revolutions.
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
    While we are waiting for the Dubai attorney to enlighten us, here is a criminal attorney with 18 years of fraud experience:
    have you asked them about vg resources, london capital NZ, vgmc (belize), PCEF & gxg markets?
    if you do please tell us soon, don't keep it for your self for 2 weeks, 6 months or a year.
    Last edited by pejuang; 10-14-2012 at 10:50 AM. Reason: spell and add words
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    According to Francesco Cimieri : GXG Markets ISIN: GBooB7W1CRo8

    Can't seem to find it......

    http://www.isin.org/

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Someone is calling you pejuang.

    VGMC Billiornare Group | FacebookHaroon Shaikh any pimp of vgmc , reply on behalf of mofo vgmc

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    GXG Markets This US oil&gas plc isin: IE00B4Q65W67

    can't find it also in ISIN.org - Search sequrities
    most of the companies isin can't find by that search engine

    i try also looking in Indonesia stock market Company Profile
    but can not find the isin number display in the company profile yet... i'll look in other markets later on when i get back on computer, or can you guys please check also for other companies isin number to makesure that search engine can capture all the isin number or need to update their data base.

    that's what i'm talking about ed... if you have good links don't keep it for your self
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    just came for visit since 2 weeks ago... 166k viewers... this forum admin will glad n find out this so amusing ^_^

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    hey guys , sorry for the delay ,
    lot of things came up ,
    u know as I said am goin to take my lawyer and got to "Department of Economic Development in dubai"
    and I did , not only that , I also let my lawer to ask VGMC office here in dubai to let me meet with the office in dubai so I can ask about all what u guys say in this thread , I wrote every singel dout down and went there ,
    they told my lawer this office serve shareholders that been over one year inVGMC + plus share holders over 100,000 sharesholding , and am not one year share holder or 100,000 sharesholder , So I made some calls , and I have a good relations with some people in the coverment , they talk with VGMC and they made acception for me , I went to the meeting and met the ambassador of VGMC In dubai , and throw tons of question on him , espicaly the douts and the questions that was asked by " EdBowers " and the 10 lies that also "EdBowers" mention ,
    tonight I will write every thing that I took note and the asnwer that I got from the meeting and summrize it , and I will write it here for u guys , I will try to posted tonight , if not it will be defntly tomoro at 9 pm dubai time ,
    all I want u guys to know , is we all here for the truth , who invest there money needs to know where they r standing , and who did invest should be carefull till everything is clear ,
    sorry again for the delay , and see u guys tomoro ,
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Quote Originally Posted by kaled17 View Post
    hey guys , sorry for the delay ,
    lot of things came up ,
    u know as I said am goin to take my lawyer and got to "Department of Economic Development in dubai"
    and I did , not only that , I also let my lawer to ask VGMC office here in dubai to let me meet with the office in dubai so I can ask about all what u guys say in this thread , I wrote every singel dout down and went there ,
    they told my lawer this office serve shareholders that been over one year inVGMC + plus share holders over 100,000 sharesholding , and am not one year share holder or 100,000 sharesholder , So I made some calls , and I have a good relations with some people in the coverment , they talk with VGMC and they made acception for me , I went to the meeting and met the ambassador of VGMC In dubai , and throw tons of question on him , espicaly the douts and the questions that was asked by " EdBowers " and the 10 lies that also "EdBowers" mention ,
    tonight I will write every thing that I took note and the asnwer that I got from the meeting and summrize it , and I will write it here for u guys , I will try to posted tonight , if not it will be defntly tomoro at 9 pm dubai time ,
    all I want u guys to know , is we all here for the truth , who invest there money needs to know where they r standing , and who did invest should be carefull till everything is clear ,
    sorry again for the delay , and see u guys tomoro ,
    hi khaled,appreciate u for ur following up this matter and we all waiting for ur response about ur meeting with vgmc ambassador and life is so difficult now for all share holders,we all calculated pay our payment in october with our divident of our capital and all r in tension.
    best regards

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Quote Originally Posted by benyy View Post
    hi khaled,appreciate u for ur following up this matter and we all waiting for ur response about ur meeting with vgmc ambassador and life is so difficult now for all share holders,we all calculated pay our payment in october with our divident of our capital and all r in tension.
    best regards
    Regardless of whatever news he brought back, I am very sure VGMC is determined to lock up our funds until Dec 2013.
    You believe them? It seems more likely VGMC is never going to return us our money.
    Truth is: VGMC is a SCAM!

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    alright guys first of all I wanna talk about the law side ,
    after my lawyer vistied Department of Economic Development in dubai and talk and discuse VGMC setuition ,
    He said "Department of Economic Development in dubai" have full aproval and liscen for VGMC and the put terms for VGMC if they want to have an office in the same bulding of the priesdent of dubai shaik mohammad office , they agreed
    so my lawyer said to me if there any kind of scam "Department of Economic Development in dubai" will be full responseable about it and we can build a case agianst them . and also we can go for interpol since the goverment of dubai approve it and Gave VGMC liscen to work in dubai .
    and my lawyer said somthing " do u believe that the president of dubai will allow a scam do be running in his tower beside his office ? cuz the goverment check every singel thing about VGMC before the let them have an office neer to the president
    and believe me if the italian mafia was 1% true they will not allow them to be close to the presdent of dubai .
    So law side < I can tell u if there anything goes wron we r able to go to the law agiant VGMC and "Department of Economic Development" and we will take our money back ,
    this was law part ,
    next post about meeting with VGMC embassdor in the middel east
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    I hope that this lawyer doesn't charge for his opinion.

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
    At Least Ten Lies From VGMC exposed on this thread.

    1. The company was first registered in Panama in 2009 not 1999.




    2. The website has only existed from January 2010.








    3. The board of directors of VGMC do not exist, the registered officers are Panamanian front men.




    4. There are two girls in the small Panamanian office not 100's of employees.
    2 girls and 2 men in front office the work office hold the rest of the employes
    5. The website is run from the United States not Panama.
    yes , and this for seucrty reason , If u wanna hack a web site u hack any website on that server then u upload shell that makes u able to run the whole serve icloding VGMC web site.
    6. They are not authorised to sell CPS with a Panamanian company and are breaking Panamanian law, the Panamanian stock exchange has issued an investor alert warning.
    not authorised cuz panama is growing up now so sometimes the prevent people in panama to holdshares from specisfic ivesment so the people make viarty in invesment in petrol in market in cars in vegatables
    they don't want to invest in one thing , and about the worning they wrote about it in VGMC we site u can check it

    7. On On February 11th 2010 VGMC provided this non existent address on their website:
    Admin Office
    23rd Floor, Grand Mega Avenue, Puritan Road,
    Panama City, Panama.
    8. Josephine Lau and Thomas Lam pay the rent on the Panamanian office not VGMC.
    9. VG Resources Ltd was set up by Francesco Cimieri's Temple Fiduciary, Bryan Cook is not the director.
    they have nothing to do with Francesco Cimieri's and if u r saying the truth , please approve it with evadince
    10. VGC was not a sponsor at MENA.

    Now they are saying that they will have an IPO and idiots will make 400 to 500% on their fake CPS.............
    we Don't get money as prophits , we get Gold then we sell it for money , so if gold price went down u lose money and if gold price goes up u gain prophits and this all VGMC shareholders know it
    question in black , answers in red

    the rest in new post
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]-6mvc1.jpg  
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
    I hope that this lawyer doesn't charge for his opinion.
    no he didn't charge, and he will not charge if he build a case cuz he is my Uncle
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    guys I posted the question u gave me with the answers I got from my meeting wtih VGMC embassdor in dubai

    but it says Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]-111.jpg

    so we should guys have my post once the admin approve it

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Post approved.
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Quote Originally Posted by pejuang View Post
    even bill gates not telling honestly to IBM when he offered The Disk Operating System and microsoft not a scam
    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
    If you had invested in Microsoft you wouldn't have lost all your money.
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    if bill gates at that time offering convertible preferred stock of microsoft... i'll subscribes and join the revolutions.
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Point 1. has already been dissected at length on this thread, see posts 158,160,181.

    The company that was first registered on 2/2/1999 was AERONAVES NORTESUR, S.A. Registration Number 356393 (the same date and number as Virgin Gold Mining Corporation) as you can see in this database.

    http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/356393

    VGMC simply bought the dormant corporation in 2009 and changed the name from Aeronaves Nortesur S.A. to VGMC to create the illusion that VGMC was first registered in 1999 as opposed to 2009. The database link 'Full Details' used to take you right through from Nortesur to VGMC but now you have to register to see it. https://www.registro-publico.gob.pa/

    Point 2. The website has indeed existed since 2001 but if you go to Wayback you will see that no activity was uploaded by VGMC until 2010.

    http://www.vgmc.com has been crawled 35 times going all the way back to September 24, 2003.
    A crawl can be a duplicate of the last one. It happens about 25% of the time across 420,000,000 websites. FAQ






    vgmc.com

    You can see what has been going on here, I'll continue to dismiss the rest of the answers.

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Point 3. This source is VGMC itself inventing who the board are, none of these people are registered in Panama. If you consult the Panamanian registry as was done on this thread in October 2011, post 4, you will see that Gerasimo Samudio (also used to front the RGCX scam) is registered as holding all the offices of Virgin Gold Mining Corporation.

    Agente Residente: PANAMA OFFSHORE LEGAL SERVICES, (POLS)

    Fecha de Registro: 02-02-1999
    Moneda: ACCIONES SIN VALOR NOMINAL.

    Monto de Capital: 0.00


    PRESIDENTE GERASIMO SAMUDIO
    TESORERO GERASIMO SAMUDIO
    SECRETARIO GERASIMO SAMUDIO

    No. de Ficha:
    356393
    No. Documento:

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    Point 4. I have personally visited the office in Panama, he hasn't.
    Point 5. Makes no real difference.
    Point 6.' ot authorised cuz panama is growing up now so sometimes the prevent people in panama to holdshares from specisfic ivesment so the people make viarty in invesment in petrol in market in cars in vegatables
    they don't want to invest in one thing , and about the worning they wrote about it in VGMC we site u can check it
    '
    This explanation is absolutely moronic.

    Point 7. He doesn't address the point, but you can see the fake Feb 2010 address on Wayback.
    Point 8. He doesn't address the point.
    Point 9. The evidence that Francesco Cimieri set up VG Resources Ltd in Sept 2012 is all in post 983.

    From companies house London:

    Current Appointments
    Number of current appointments: 1
    DIRECTOR:
    FIDUCIARY, TEMPLE MR
    Appointed:
    12/09/2012
    Date of Birth: 04/05/1963
    Nationality:
    ITALIAN
    No. of Appointments:
    1
    Address:
    3 CROMWELL PLACE
    LONDON
    ENGLAND
    SW7 2JE
    Country/State of Residence:
    ENGLAND

    And the director of Temple Fiduciary Ltd is one Mr Francesco Cimieri,
    3 Cromwell Place
    London
    England
    SW7 2JE
    Francesco Cimieri - free company director check. Director id 915820179 - Companies House Information

    A google search on Mr Francesco Cimieri reveals er, links to scams:

    MR FRANCESCO CIMIERI (Arrested in Italy)
    SUITE 82, 28 OLD BROMPTON ROAD
    SOUTH KENSINGTON
    LONDON SW7 3SS
    UNITED KINGDOM
    Nationality: Italian
    Occupation : Consultant
    Date of Birth: 04/05/1963
    UK Indymedia - Italian Mafia Money Laundering in Battersea London SW11
    Point 10. He doesn't address the point.

    As they are not prophets, why do VGMC predict a 4 to 5 times increase in the share price?

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    yes you are absolutely right Ed, our friend have not visited the office and all he can say comes from his so call laeyer uncle ,maybe this guy also fake.

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    guys I posted the question u gave me with the answers I got from my meeting wtih VGMC embassdor in dubai
    Thank you for doing that kaled 17, as you can see I have pointed out the huge problems with the VG Ambassador's answers as they don't stand up to scrutiny or the official records.

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    type document description date
    AP01 DIRECTOR APPOINTED MR ROLAND HUMI-GOSMAN 11/10/2012
    AP04 CORPORATE SECRETARY APPOINTED NAUER CORPORATE SERVICE 11/10/2012
    AD01 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 11/10/2012 FROM
    3 CROMWELL PLACE
    LONDON
    SW7 2JE
    ENGLAND
    11/10/2012
    TM01 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR TEMPLE FIDUCIARY 10/10/2012
    NEWINC CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION
    GENERAL COMPANY DETAILS & STATEMENTS OF;
    OFFICERS, CAPITAL & SHAREHOLDINGS, GUARANTEE, COMPLIANCE
    MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION



    https://www3.companysearches.co.uk/c...uration=latest

    As you can see here, Francesco Cimieri's company, Temple Fiduciary (and his embarrassing address) was amended after it was exposed on line, to make one Roland Humi Gosman the director on October 10th.

    Also note that Hurni Gosman is spelt wrong on the registration so that they can then pretend it is a real person, Roland Hurni Gosman who actually exists and has some banking history.
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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Point 4. No! Ed didn't visit the panama office personally, he just research on the internet, and found the crap link about Torre Global Bank Offices.
    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
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    Office for Lease: Office 3105 For Rent In Global Bank | Poweredby vFlyer

    You should do some internet research and see how ponzi schemes operate and how many unsatisfied customers there are with the gold shares scam, they are mostly in Asia.
    Almost a year later then Viewpoint did personally visit to panama office and took some after working hour’s pictures.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viewpoint View Post
    Dear Virgin Gold Investor
    I work in the next building adjacent to Torre Global but I checked the Virgin Gold office today during my lunch hour and it was open again. Today is pay day here in Panama so everyone comes to work (including me) to collect our pay checks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pejuang View Post
    excuse me ed, who/what/where are you?
    -you known about the 1 year old link above that might overcome the gold mines n the others issues and just share it now?
    -you also shared half year later the link about alert from SMV?
    -you are active in most panama forum threads.
    -you can do research in malaysia links.
    -you were in Bali just on a day of vgmc held the recent gala dinner there.
    …..why n what's in it for you?
    Point 8. Probably you should explain first who those guys are, how they're related to this and proof?
    Quote Originally Posted by EdBowers View Post
    Where are Josephine Lau and Thomas Lam when you need them, after all they are the ones paying the rent on the Panama office. I am sure that they can explain. Curiously, they are not referenced as board members of VGMC.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaled17 View Post
    guys I posted the question u gave me with the answers I got from my meeting wtih VGMC embassdor in dubai

    but it says Click image for larger version. 

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    so we should guys have my post once the admin approve it
    So Khaled17 ...what did they say about the next step and about what hey did by first of October - how the work will be after this shifting to PCEF???

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    I went to the office and since then the realtor removed the link, so what? Viewpoint can also tell you that only 2 girls work there and it is the size of a 2 bedroom appartment.

    Point 8. Probably you should explain first who those guys are, how they're related to this and proof?
    Joesephine Lau and Thomas Lam rented the Global Bank office from the realtor two and a half years ago., I asked at the Tower reception and was given their names. They are the real people who are connected to the scam and they pay the rent.

    How about commenting on the fake office address on Wayback, the company formation using Areonaves Norteasur SA, the front man Gerasimo Samudio and why Elinger and the rest of the fake board are not registered in Panama. Also Francesco Cimieri setting up Virgin Resources Ltd and why Bryan Cook is not a registered director? All the documentation is linked to here.

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    Re: Virgin Gold Mining Corporation [Scam!]

    Oh, and how about contacting the Panama SMV, info@supervalores.gob.pa info@supervalores.gob.pa (507) 501-1700, fax (507) 501-1709 and asking them to comment on this drivel?


    "ot authorised cuz panama is growing up now so sometimes the prevent people in panama to holdshares from specisfic ivesment so the people make viarty in invesment in petrol in market in cars in vegatables
    they don't want to invest in one thing , and about the worning they wrote about it in VGMC we site u can check it
    "

    I can translate it into Spanish if you want but they will probably fall off their chairs laughing at reading such utter crap...


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