If you had invested in Microsoft you wouldn't have lost all your money.
If you had invested in Microsoft you wouldn't have lost all your money.
I guess I need to repost this so you get a better aggressive answer:
Too bad Panama doesn't have military dictatorship anymore where they could just round people up and spray them with 7.62 mm. Mr. Wan obviously needs to be neutered by having his nutsack attached to 20 car batteries. Alternatively, split his tongue in half with a razor, hold his nose, force his head up and watch Satan's little helper drown in his own blood (rub Adam's apple for added effects).
While we are waiting for the Dubai attorney to enlighten us, here is a criminal attorney with 18 years of fraud experience:
"We get a lot of questions here about Virgin Gold MIning Corporation, and we believe they are a likely are probably Ponzi scheme, which is illegal. While the site itself is low-key about investment opportunities, if you run a search for them on the web, you will find a lot of very contradictory reports. There are heaps of praises from investors who claim that they have been getting high returns from investing in VGMC, but also many scam warnings about the company's real nature.
There's a lot of mystery about the company. A lot of traffic is being driven to it, but by investors rather than the by the company itself. Apart from attracting investors, Virgin Gold doesn't seem to have any other accomplishments as a business. The site itself doesn't so much as list one actual gold mine with which they are involved. The enterprise seems geared to investment not to product -- lots of investors makiing lots of noise about lots of money to attract new investors.
Virgin Gold MIning's offices are off limits to most investors. They are based in Panama, where corporation rules are lax, and where it's nearly impossible to access corporate records. All of the above supports the Ponzi theory.
A Ponzi scheme relies on money brought in from bottom level investors who fund the efforts of the top. Here's the definition of a Ponzi scheme as explained in the literature of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners. So the enthusiasm of the site promotors could be self-serving. All they are trying to do is to get new investors to keep the Ponzi alive.
Ponzi schemes are not only illegal but they are also self limiting. Ponzis need a perpetual source of new investors to pay off the earnings of the old one. Eventually their business model cannot be sustained, because the bottom can no longer support the top. When that happens, the whole thing will then collapse, which is what happened, for example, with Madoff's Ponzi. There have been some very few exceptions, but most Ponzis last on an average about 2 years. VCMG is getting there, and even if their adherents are truthful and it has always been paying off, the site is not going to do so forever.
International investing is very tightly regulated. VCMG cannot lawfully play in this ballpark. Both the Malaysian and the Singapore securities and exchange commissions have posted investor alerts for VGMC. There may well be others but these make my point.
Here is the link to the Singapore international alert. Investor Alert List
Here is the link for Malaysia: http://www.sc.com..my/main.asp?pageid=1032&menuid=272&newsid=&linkid=&ty pe=#v As you can see, VGMC is unlicensed to engage in the activity it is asking you to help sponsor.
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GXG Markets This US oil&gas plc isin: IE00B4Q65W67
can't find it also in ISIN.org - Search sequrities
most of the companies isin can't find by that search engine
i try also looking in Indonesia stock market Company Profile
but can not find the isin number display in the company profile yet... i'll look in other markets later on when i get back on computer, or can you guys please check also for other companies isin number to makesure that search engine can capture all the isin number or need to update their data base.
that's what i'm talking about ed... if you have good links don't keep it for your self
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just came for visit since 2 weeks ago... 166k viewers... this forum admin will glad n find out this so amusing ^_^
hey guys , sorry for the delay ,
lot of things came up ,
u know as I said am goin to take my lawyer and got to "Department of Economic Development in dubai"
and I did , not only that , I also let my lawer to ask VGMC office here in dubai to let me meet with the office in dubai so I can ask about all what u guys say in this thread , I wrote every singel dout down and went there ,
they told my lawer this office serve shareholders that been over one year inVGMC + plus share holders over 100,000 sharesholding , and am not one year share holder or 100,000 sharesholder , So I made some calls , and I have a good relations with some people in the coverment , they talk with VGMC and they made acception for me , I went to the meeting and met the ambassador of VGMC In dubai , and throw tons of question on him , espicaly the douts and the questions that was asked by " EdBowers " and the 10 lies that also "EdBowers" mention ,
tonight I will write every thing that I took note and the asnwer that I got from the meeting and summrize it , and I will write it here for u guys , I will try to posted tonight , if not it will be defntly tomoro at 9 pm dubai time ,
all I want u guys to know , is we all here for the truth , who invest there money needs to know where they r standing , and who did invest should be carefull till everything is clear ,
sorry again for the delay , and see u guys tomoro ,
alright guys first of all I wanna talk about the law side ,
after my lawyer vistied Department of Economic Development in dubai and talk and discuse VGMC setuition ,
He said "Department of Economic Development in dubai" have full aproval and liscen for VGMC and the put terms for VGMC if they want to have an office in the same bulding of the priesdent of dubai shaik mohammad office , they agreed
so my lawyer said to me if there any kind of scam "Department of Economic Development in dubai" will be full responseable about it and we can build a case agianst them . and also we can go for interpol since the goverment of dubai approve it and Gave VGMC liscen to work in dubai .
and my lawyer said somthing " do u believe that the president of dubai will allow a scam do be running in his tower beside his office ? cuz the goverment check every singel thing about VGMC before the let them have an office neer to the president
and believe me if the italian mafia was 1% true they will not allow them to be close to the presdent of dubai .
So law side < I can tell u if there anything goes wron we r able to go to the law agiant VGMC and "Department of Economic Development" and we will take our money back ,
this was law part ,
next post about meeting with VGMC embassdor in the middel east
I hope that this lawyer doesn't charge for his opinion.
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Point 1. has already been dissected at length on this thread, see posts 158,160,181.
The company that was first registered on 2/2/1999 was AERONAVES NORTESUR, S.A. Registration Number 356393 (the same date and number as Virgin Gold Mining Corporation) as you can see in this database.
VGMC simply bought the dormant corporation in 2009 and changed the name from Aeronaves Nortesur S.A. to VGMC to create the illusion that VGMC was first registered in 1999 as opposed to 2009. The database link 'Full Details' used to take you right through from Nortesur to VGMC but now you have to register to see it. https://www.registro-publico.gob.pa/
Point 2. The website has indeed existed since 2001 but if you go to Wayback you will see that no activity was uploaded by VGMC until 2010.
http://www.vgmc.com has been crawled 35 times going all the way back to September 24, 2003.
A crawl can be a duplicate of the last one. It happens about 25% of the time across 420,000,000 websites. FAQ
You can see what has been going on here, I'll continue to dismiss the rest of the answers.
Point 3. This source is VGMC itself inventing who the board are, none of these people are registered in Panama. If you consult the Panamanian registry as was done on this thread in October 2011, post 4, you will see that Gerasimo Samudio (also used to front the RGCX scam) is registered as holding all the offices of Virgin Gold Mining Corporation.
Agente Residente: PANAMA OFFSHORE LEGAL SERVICES, (POLS)
Fecha de Registro: 02-02-1999
Moneda: ACCIONES SIN VALOR NOMINAL.
Monto de Capital: 0.00
PRESIDENTE GERASIMO SAMUDIO TESORERO GERASIMO SAMUDIO SECRETARIO GERASIMO SAMUDIO
No. de Ficha: 356393 No. Documento:
Point 4. I have personally visited the office in Panama, he hasn't.
Point 5. Makes no real difference.
Point 6.' ot authorised cuz panama is growing up now so sometimes the prevent people in panama to holdshares from specisfic ivesment so the people make viarty in invesment in petrol in market in cars in vegatables
they don't want to invest in one thing , and about the worning they wrote about it in VGMC we site u can check it'
This explanation is absolutely moronic.
Point 7. He doesn't address the point, but you can see the fake Feb 2010 address on Wayback.
Point 8. He doesn't address the point.
Point 9. The evidence that Francesco Cimieri set up VG Resources Ltd in Sept 2012 is all in post 983.
Point 10. He doesn't address the point.
From companies house London:
Number of current appointments: 1
FIDUCIARY, TEMPLE MR
Date of Birth: 04/05/1963
No. of Appointments:
3 CROMWELL PLACE
Country/State of Residence:
And the director of Temple Fiduciary Ltd is one Mr Francesco Cimieri,
3 Cromwell Place
Francesco Cimieri - free company director check. Director id 915820179 - Companies House Information
A google search on Mr Francesco Cimieri reveals er, links to scams:
MR FRANCESCO CIMIERI (Arrested in Italy)
SUITE 82, 28 OLD BROMPTON ROAD
LONDON SW7 3SS
Occupation : Consultant
Date of Birth: 04/05/1963
UK Indymedia - Italian Mafia Money Laundering in Battersea London SW11
As they are not prophets, why do VGMC predict a 4 to 5 times increase in the share price?
yes you are absolutely right Ed, our friend have not visited the office and all he can say comes from his so call laeyer uncle ,maybe this guy also fake.
Thank you for doing that kaled 17, as you can see I have pointed out the huge problems with the VG Ambassador's answers as they don't stand up to scrutiny or the official records.guys I posted the question u gave me with the answers I got from my meeting wtih VGMC embassdor in dubai
type document description date
AP01 DIRECTOR APPOINTED MR ROLAND HUMI-GOSMAN 11/10/2012
AP04 CORPORATE SECRETARY APPOINTED NAUER CORPORATE SERVICE 11/10/2012
AD01 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 11/10/2012 FROM
3 CROMWELL PLACE
TM01 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR TEMPLE FIDUCIARY 10/10/2012
NEWINC CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION
GENERAL COMPANY DETAILS & STATEMENTS OF;
OFFICERS, CAPITAL & SHAREHOLDINGS, GUARANTEE, COMPLIANCE
MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION
As you can see here, Francesco Cimieri's company, Temple Fiduciary (and his embarrassing address) was amended after it was exposed on line, to make one Roland Humi Gosman the director on October 10th.
Also note that Hurni Gosman is spelt wrong on the registration so that they can then pretend it is a real person, Roland Hurni Gosman who actually exists and has some banking history.
Point 4. No! Ed didn't visit the panama office personally, he just research on the internet, and found the crap link about Torre Global Bank Offices.
I went to the office and since then the realtor removed the link, so what? Viewpoint can also tell you that only 2 girls work there and it is the size of a 2 bedroom appartment.
Joesephine Lau and Thomas Lam rented the Global Bank office from the realtor two and a half years ago., I asked at the Tower reception and was given their names. They are the real people who are connected to the scam and they pay the rent.Point 8. Probably you should explain first who those guys are, how they're related to this and proof?
How about commenting on the fake office address on Wayback, the company formation using Areonaves Norteasur SA, the front man Gerasimo Samudio and why Elinger and the rest of the fake board are not registered in Panama. Also Francesco Cimieri setting up Virgin Resources Ltd and why Bryan Cook is not a registered director? All the documentation is linked to here.
Oh, and how about contacting the Panama SMV, firstname.lastname@example.org email@example.com (507) 501-1700, fax (507) 501-1709 and asking them to comment on this drivel?
"ot authorised cuz panama is growing up now so sometimes the prevent people in panama to holdshares from specisfic ivesment so the people make viarty in invesment in petrol in market in cars in vegatables
they don't want to invest in one thing , and about the worning they wrote about it in VGMC we site u can check it"
I can translate it into Spanish if you want but they will probably fall off their chairs laughing at reading such utter crap...